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#326540 - 06/11/20 07:53 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
So let me get this straight: We can not or should not improve our relationship with American black folks (ie, stop killing them) because the Uighurs have it worse?

I know, right? crazy
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#326541 - 06/11/20 07:58 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
It's just amazing how all the voting machine problems just happen to occur in largely black areas.

https://apnews.com/e7ea6e919fadb995c407eea3a4450176


Given that those machines and sites are generally run by the County Governments, I'm not sure that's a narrative you want to push...

Let's take Georgia's recent fckup as an example.

In the state of Georgia, the Secretary of State is the election superintendent. It is in the Georgia Constitution that the Secretary of State's responsibility to direct, train and oversee the conduct of Georgia's elections. Georgia allows counties to do the direct implementation, but it’s the responsibility of the Secretary of State to remedy any problems, the Secretary of State in Georgia should have the resources and responsibility to ensure elections run smoothly.
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#326542 - 06/11/20 08:02 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
No. The point was that, despite continued abuses that exist in our country, this Liberal, individual-rights-oriented Western society of ours is still

A) better than the alternatives and
B) improving

How is life improving for the Black American? Your white nationalist talking points are pathetic. Hmm
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#326546 - 06/11/20 09:46 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
No. The point was that, despite continued abuses that exist in our country, this Liberal, individual-rights-oriented Western society of ours is still

A) better than the alternatives and
B) improving

How is life improving for the Black American?


Well, the statement was for our society as a whole, but, sure, we can absolutely point to improvements in the lives of Black Americans. Take any Civil Rights leader from the 1960s, put them in a time machine to today, and ask them which era is better off for African Americans. Take anyone dealing with the spike in violent crime in the 1980s, shift them into the future of today, and ask them in which one African Americans are less likely to die a violent death. Until COVID, unemployment was at historic lows among the African American community and more African Americans than ever were attending and completing college and inhabiting the middle class (though not really an improvement in our ability to protect the individual rights of our people, they are measurements of conditions). Even as racism has decreased across the decades, awareness of it as a problem has increased.

Don't let the failure of the eschaton to immanentize blind you to ongoing improvements smile


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Your white nationalist talking points are pathetic. Hmm


:shrug: your pathetic (and foolish) bigotry is transparent. I'm as much a white nationalist as (I assume) you are a child rapist.
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#326547 - 06/11/20 09:49 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
... the term "or more" is used in reference to "an order of magnitude". This quote makes the claim that what is happening is either:

A. An order of magnitude worse than what African Americans face in this country today

or

B. More than an order of magnitude worse than what African Americans face in this country today.

Of course a white nationalist would claim that the bigotry, racism, and criminal injustice experienced by black Americans and their families for 400 years pales in comparison to more recent bigotry and atrocities experienced globally by other minorities - and in particular, the Muslim Uighurs by the Chinese Government.


What a fascinating response from someone who just spent their time trying to snidely (and incorrectly) suggest that others are stupid because you didn't understand the meaning of words.

Tell me, PDX. What does the word "today" mean, in your world?

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You're probably pissed as well, that there will be no more Confederate flags at NASCAR


Not really. As a Marine, I also supported the Commandant's decision to ban that flag from our installations. smile


Edited by CPWILL (06/11/20 09:50 PM)
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#326548 - 06/11/20 09:54 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Yeah. If only China had a big, overbearing government, the incidents of human rights abuses by that government would surely go down. Surely, right?

How do you get "big, overbearing..." from "...protections and regulations..."?

Might be more than a bit of anti-government prejudice in that free-market Capitalism ideology of yourn. FMC would die in two heartbeats without the socialism of government protections and regulation, which means that it is basically a delusional myth. Don't you agree, expert reviewer?


I think you are confusing "the existence of regulation" with "it's expansion". Capitalism requires a state in order to function as, for example, does every other economic basis for organization other than your most basic Barter-based societies.

China's human rights abuses do not stem from not having enough government - it's that they have too much.
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#326549 - 06/11/20 09:56 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
2 cents and something on which to cogitate

In mathematics there is something known as the axiom of choice. It is one of the major ideas which enable higher mathematics to be created. Turns out there are ( to best of my recollection) some 21 different equivalent statements in mathematics to the simple statement of the axiom. Think about that .... 21 different statements which are equivalent ... and some of them are so abstract and esoteric as to make one believe they have no bearing on the axiom ... but they do ... as they can be proven to be equivalent.

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Given that those machines and sites are generally run by the County Governments, I'm not sure that's a narrative you want to push

That statement is the equivalent to ... counties which are run by white folks are competent.


We have plenty of Hispanic-dominated counties as well (though I suppose plenty of folks lump them in with "white"), but, yes, that's why I'm not sure he wants to run around arguing that black-dominated county governments are always the ones to fail at competently holding elections.
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#326557 - 06/12/20 01:39 AM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
No. The point was that, despite continued abuses that exist in our country, this Liberal, individual-rights-oriented Western society of ours is still

A) better than the alternatives and
B) improving

How is life improving for the Black American?


Well, the statement was for our society as a whole...

The only group whose lives are improving in America are the 1% who are generally white, followed by non-1% white males.

Your talking points are such a white nationalist stereotype. crazy
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#326558 - 06/12/20 03:11 AM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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hmmm .... "What we've got here is failure to communicate".

Mr Howl was not suggesting the problem was at the county level but at the GOP state level. The GOP run state failed to mail out enough ballots, causing people to show up in person at GOP state limited polling stations.

Your response was the rather narrow minded limited standard conservative response that it is the black run counties problem.

So when you typed it was those peoples fault, implying they were incompetent, .... now see if you can figure out the rest without any help
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#326559 - 06/12/20 05:16 AM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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Tell me, PDX. What does the word "today" mean, in your world?

smile

You white nationalists always want to change the conversation and ignore the history of black suppression and injustice in America. That's just what you people do.

Hmm
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