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#326290 - 06/01/20 09:54 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: pdx rick
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Thank you. I am certain that Trump and his supporters after the 2020 election (should he lose) will have similar claims...

Someone doesn't have a firm grasp of the definition of claims. coffee


smile Sure, PDX. BS claims of stolen elections that undercut public confidence in our electoral system are only bad when the other guy does it. smile



Well, let's look at who got busted for election fraud in the last election, and who did it. In 2018 there was one arrest in North Carolina, and one arrest in Arizona. Both arrested were Republicans. The North Carolina arrest was the most egregious. This was a Republican who harvested ballots in a Democratic neighborhood, then threw them all in the garbage.

Sure shoots down the claim that voter fraud is rampant. It isn't.


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#326299 - 06/02/20 12:16 AM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: danarhea]
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Originally Posted By: danarhea
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Thank you. I am certain that Trump and his supporters after the 2020 election (should he lose) will have similar claims...

Someone doesn't have a firm grasp of the definition of claims. coffee


smile Sure, PDX. BS claims of stolen elections that undercut public confidence in our electoral system are only bad when the other guy does it. smile

Well, let's look at who got busted for election fraud in the last election, and who did it. In 2018 there was one arrest in North Carolina, and one arrest in Arizona. Both arrested were Republicans. The North Carolina arrest was the most egregious. This was a Republican who harvested ballots in a Democratic neighborhood, then threw them all in the garbage.

Sure shoots down the claim that voter fraud is rampant. It isn't.

Oh c'mon danarhea, those are just claims of "claims." Just because the "claims" actually happened, doesn't mean what they claim to mean smile

On a serious note, every honest, decent person will admit that corruption and stealing elations is the Republican's bread and butter. coffee
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#326300 - 06/02/20 01:05 AM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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Oh yes, of course. The OTHER guys are ALWAYS in conspiracies against goodness and freedom. That's why it's only legitimate when WE claim that our losing elections was illegitimate smile.

Weird how your "conspiracy theories" end you Righties in jail. smile
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#326304 - 06/02/20 04:20 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: danarhea]
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Originally Posted By: danarhea
Originally Posted By: CPWILL

smile Sure, PDX. BS claims of stolen elections that undercut public confidence in our electoral system are only bad when the other guy does it. smile



Well, let's look at who got busted for election fraud in the last election, and who did it. In 2018 there was one arrest in North Carolina, and one arrest in Arizona. Both arrested were Republicans. The North Carolina arrest was the most egregious. This was a Republican who harvested ballots in a Democratic neighborhood, then threw them all in the garbage.

Sure shoots down the claim that voter fraud is rampant. It isn't.


That is impossible. I have been assured that the 2000, 2004, and 2016 Presidential elections were all stolen laugh


Edited by CPWILL (06/02/20 04:20 PM)
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#326306 - 06/02/20 04:40 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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None of those elections were "stolen". They were close races that really should have gone the other way so there was a bit of outrage.

I'm sure you were completely satisfied with the results, CP, because they favored your chosen ideology. An ideology, I might add, that has gotten us where we are today.

The same ideology espoused by the gun toting window breaking arrow shooting fire starting and looting Boogaloo Bois.

Riots in the streets are just a part of the human condition. Like poverty and disease. some must suffer so that wealthy can have more than they need.
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#326309 - 06/02/20 04:54 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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I have been assured that the 2000, 2004, and 2016 Presidential elections were all stolen
who exactly assured you??? I am really curious.

Despite the fact Candidate Bush would have won the 2000 election anyway the SC should not have intervened in the counting process.

The 2016 results were heavily influenced by Russians and Dir Comey.

I think when people use the term "stolen election" they mean actual real fraudulent voting (which changes the outcome), stealing ballots boxes, machines changing votes, etc. You will also notice for any of that to be really meaningful it has to be rampant in the real sense of an actual dictionary i.e. " flourishing or spreading unchecked", and not in Republicans use of word rampant meaning 7 cases per state. Now if you know of anything like that happening in 2000, 2004, or 2016, then not only do I want to know about it but I think law enforcement would like your evidence .... otherwise nothing was stolen.
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#326315 - 06/02/20 05:36 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
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I have been assured that the 2000, 2004, and 2016 Presidential elections were all stolen
who exactly assured you??? I am really curious.

Despite the fact Candidate Bush would have won the 2000 election anyway the SC should not have intervened in the counting process.

The 2016 results were heavily influenced by Russians and Dir Comey.

I think when people use the term "stolen election" they mean actual real fraudulent voting (which changes the outcome), stealing ballots boxes, machines changing votes, etc. You will also notice for any of that to be really meaningful it has to be rampant in the real sense of an actual dictionary i.e. " flourishing or spreading unchecked", and not in Republicans use of word rampant meaning 7 cases per state. Now if you know of anything like that happening in 2000, 2004, or 2016, then not only do I want to know about it but I think law enforcement would like your evidence .... otherwise nothing was stolen.


smile They should talk to PDX, I suppose, then smile Because:


Quote:
I think when people use the term "stolen election" they mean actual real fraudulent voting (which changes the outcome), stealing ballots boxes, machines changing votes, etc.


is a description that fits the Diebold conspiracy theory pretty well.
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#326317 - 06/02/20 05:59 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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the Diebold conspiracy theory


Has there ever been a single example of this proven? I aint gonna Google it because I doubt it. And like other stuff, so rare as to affect nothing.

Our voting system needs a complete overhaul.
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#326319 - 06/02/20 06:54 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: Greger]
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I did google "the Diebold conspiracy theory" and got a pile of pretty interesting stuff. Here is one (not sure its true or not):
http://thetruthwins.com/archives/20-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true

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#326321 - 06/02/20 07:49 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
None of those elections were "stolen". They were close races that really should have gone the other way so there was a bit of outrage.


They were races that people wanted to go the other way, and, they allowed that emotional response to pull them into the same kind of conspiracy nonsense that is being pre-emptively criticized (and rightfully, if he does so) in Trump.



Undermining confidence in our elections is somehow only bad when the other guy does it. Convenient, that.



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I'm sure you were completely satisfied with the results, CP, because they favored your chosen ideology. An ideology, I might add, that has gotten us where we are today.


Wealthiest, most powerful, nation on a globe with a standard of living unmatched in human history and an imperfect but generally steady and increasing protection of individual liberties?

Fair enough. I'll take that hit. laugh

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The same ideology espoused by the gun toting window breaking arrow shooting fire starting and looting Boogaloo Bois.


No, for two reasons:

1. Those Rebel Cosplay idiots tend not to have much of a ideology at all and, to the extent that they do, it is often a weird and poorly thought out mix of pro-trump-troll ism and

2. It generally isn't the Boogie bois out there lighting fires and breaking into stores. That's more your antifa types. For all their bluster, the Bois don't actually go toe-to-toe with the police.

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Riots in the streets are just a part of the human condition. Like poverty and disease. some must suffer so that wealthy can have more than they need.


Nah - destruction is just destruction. Riots harm the communities they take place in, destroy savings and investments, and raise the cost of future business in the area. With the exception, I suppose, of those who take advantage of the chaos to make off with a new television, pretty much everyone is hurt in riots.


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