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#326394 - 06/06/20 06:16 PM Domestic Terrorists
jgw Offline
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This may be the wrong place to put this. I am trying to post sites that, together, might clear up a lot of talk as to who, and what, organizations are the terrorists.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/what-is-antifa-trnd/index.html

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/white-nationalist

if you google "antifa fbi" you will find a pile of information on the FBI saying that ANTIFA is NOT involved in the current violence by groups. On the other hand the FBI has spent years warning about White Nationalism that flies under a pile of different organizations and have been responsible for much of the violence that has been happening in the marches taking place nationwide (stuff like looting and burning).

Oh, apparently its not legal to designation ANY domestic organization as being 'terrorist'.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trump-...t-organization/


Edited by jgw (06/06/20 06:18 PM)

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#326395 - 06/06/20 06:42 PM Re: Domestic Terrorists [Re: jgw]
Ujest Shurly Offline
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Domestic Terrorists?

Anybody that has or had children knows that a two-year old is a Domestic Terrorist. So I guess the description fits President Donald (...) Trump*


*Impeached

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#326396 - 06/06/20 07:45 PM Re: Domestic Terrorists [Re: jgw]
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If Trump does make an executive order letting law enforcement treat domestic organizations who act like foreign "terrorist organizations", as terrorists, it would not apply to antifa. They are not an organization, and they have not killed anyone or tried to make everybody afraid. They simply are not terrorists.

On the other hand, it would apply to several alt-right organizations that have killed people. KKK, other White Supremacy groups, and neo-Nazis would all fit the legal definition.

This would backfire, like most of Trump's stupid ideas. Just like attacking social media by making them responsible for harmful content posted by users, would require them to ban Trump! Or changing the libel laws to make it easier to sue, would lead to countless lawsuits against Trump.
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#326398 - 06/06/20 11:13 PM Re: Domestic Terrorists [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I haven't seen any sign of antifa getting involved in this....their thing is counter-protesting right wing gatherings. Anti- Fascist. The same people are most certainly protesting but are currently in solidarity with the black community. You can bet your ass they are patrolling the outskirts and watching for right wing terrorism.
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#326399 - 06/07/20 03:31 AM Re: Domestic Terrorists [Re: jgw]
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From what I saw of Charlottesville, they were not really so much protesting anything as defending people from the Nazis. There were a group of clerics who said antifa did nothing but defend them when nazis attacked. So what they did is more or less legal! You are allowed to use force to defend somebody when you see them being assaulted, even deadly force.

It would be different if antifa was going to nazi's homes to execute them in the night, or hang them from trees like the KKK is so fond of. Something like antifa was very popular in the US civilian and police force during and after WW II. It was also very popular in Germany after the war. They actually made just being a nazi or collecting nazi paraphernalia illegal.
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#326403 - 06/07/20 04:47 PM Re: Domestic Terrorists [Re: pondering_it_all]
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You are exactly right! The problem is in the lies of the crazy right who has been busily painting them as the bad guys.

Up where I live there is a town called Forks. A group of righteous right got together and literally terrorized a van of tourists passing through. They actually dropped trees across the road so they couldn't escape (some high school kids got rid of that). There was couple with grandparents and also children. The Sheriff is looking into it and it came from a gun dealer in another local town who is proud of his warnings about something that didn't, and will never, happen.

Loons, the whole damned bunch are LOONES!

I have watched Forks for years. Its always been two sides, the right and the left and I have also always thought that was where a war would start both sides are a bit far to their political druthers. Oh, in Forks EVERYBODY has a gun! They know they have to be ready when they are attacked by their neighbors. Nice place to retire to.


Edited by jgw (06/08/20 08:25 PM)

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#326406 - 06/07/20 06:14 PM Re: Domestic Terrorists [Re: jgw]
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Talk about Domestic Terrorists, how about this guy who sabotaged a factory making Covid-19 swabs?

Factory Discarding COVID-19 Swabs

Quote:
Trump visited a plant that produces sterile swabs and mingled with workers who wore white lab coats, masks, gloves, hair coverings, goggles and booties. All with no PPE or mask.
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#326413 - 06/07/20 11:40 PM Re: Domestic Terrorists [Re: jgw]
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Domestic terrorists - when the butler and maid scare the holy shiit out of you...
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#326446 - 06/09/20 04:04 PM Re: Domestic Terrorists [Re: jgw]
Hamish Howl Offline
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According to Trump, I am a terrorist.

Okay. I'm a terrorist. This is what you wanted.
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