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#326462 - 06/09/20 06:54 PM Defund the Police
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"Defund the Police" or, how to lose an election.

Apparently this doesn't mean to take all the money away from police departments but taking some money away so that some of what they do gets split off and given to experts in the field. A good example of that is making police departments deal with everybody with mental illness. The current solution is to take a person, who has mental illness, convict them of a crime, send them to prison which then puts them in solitary for the rest of their lives. I am, incidentally, for these kinds of actions.

Anyway the very phrase "Defund the Police" can easily lose the Dems the next election. Trump has already seen the possibilities of this one and probably will setup his entire campaign around "Defund the Police" as he is already getting traction with it. If you Google: https://www.marketplace.org/2020/06/08/what-it-means-to-defund-police/ you will see what I am talking about.

We have already seen what "Socialist" did for Bernie (lost him the election). Now those on the left have cleverly thought of a brand new clever phrase which can seriously wreck them. I read one guy who is also worried and he said that if Democrats want to use the phrase then they had better make sure to explain it in the same breath.

Like the man says; The Democrats have the capacity to REALLY screw it up!

Oh, I know. I am not trying to start another argument not unlike those we have had over "Socialist". Hopefully some have learned their lesson but I suspect, not.

There are a lot of postings on "Defund the Police". Here is one.
https://www.marketplace.org/2020/06/08/what-it-means-to-defund-police/


Edited by jgw (06/09/20 06:58 PM)

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#326464 - 06/09/20 07:16 PM Re: Defund the Police [Re: jgw]
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If we as a nation cannot elect someone who will take concrete steps to correct a festering wound, then we deserve whatever we get. Nationwide, the police have militarized and become more brutal. While there are only a small percentage of murderous cops, the rest protect them. They are essentially a state-funded gang.

Police do not need MRAPS. They don't need to look like robocop. They don't need to shoot rubber bullets into the face of a homeless guy in a wheelchair, for no other reason than "Why not?"

But if the American public is dead set on an authoritarian police state, then the people will have spoken.
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#326476 - 06/10/20 12:56 AM Re: Defund the Police [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
"Defund the Police" or, how to lose an election.

Apparently this doesn't mean to take all the money away from police departments but taking some money away so that some of what they do gets split off and given to experts in the field. A good example of that is making police departments deal with everybody with mental illness. The current solution is to take a person, who has mental illness, convict them of a crime, send them to prison which then puts them in solitary for the rest of their lives. I am, incidentally, for these kinds of actions.

Anyway the very phrase "Defund the Police" can easily lose the Dems the next election. Trump has already seen the possibilities of this one and probably will setup his entire campaign around "Defund the Police" as he is already getting traction with it. If you Google: https://www.marketplace.org/2020/06/08/what-it-means-to-defund-police/ you will see what I am talking about.

We have already seen what "Socialist" did for Bernie (lost him the election). Now those on the left have cleverly thought of a brand new clever phrase which can seriously wreck them. I read one guy who is also worried and he said that if Democrats want to use the phrase then they had better make sure to explain it in the same breath.

Like the man says; The Democrats have the capacity to REALLY screw it up!

Oh, I know. I am not trying to start another argument not unlike those we have had over "Socialist". Hopefully some have learned their lesson but I suspect, not.

There are a lot of postings on "Defund the Police". Here is one.
https://www.marketplace.org/2020/06/08/what-it-means-to-defund-police/


That. Or.


This provides Bidena perfect foil to demonstrate to America that he's not the Crazy Left, but, by rejecting it he can - like when Clinton rejected Sista Soulja - firmly position himself more in the middle.
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#326495 - 06/10/20 07:14 PM Re: Defund the Police [Re: jgw]
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I was watching tv last night and noticed that there was very little 'de-fund' talk. Instead there was a lot of talk explaining what folks want to do without the 'defund'. Hopefully this means that the 'de-fund' folks are going to not use the term which would be flat out great as I REALLY want Trump gone!

('de-fund' gives Trump yet another weapon to use in trying to wreck the Democratic efforts). Its interesting. "de-" means, basically, 'reverse'. So, De-fund means, again basically, "reverse funding', ie. NO funding. When I first heard it I actually thought they wanted to just shut down all police departments. That is not what they meant, they just choose a term that was catchy and, again, confusing unless explained.

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#326504 - 06/11/20 02:51 AM Re: Defund the Police [Re: jgw]
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Perhaps we should think of it as re-funding the police department?

Reallocating funds spent on weaponry and incarceration into social services. What the hell are cops doing in schools anyway? Why do cops always shoot first? They always ride in with guns blazing.

Lightly armed gendarmes who always talk first and shoot last. Who can call an ambulance, a family member, or a squad car. Technology makes tracking people down pretty easy these days.
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#326505 - 06/11/20 12:51 PM Re: Defund the Police [Re: Greger]
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Still lurking out here. How about this idea that originated in ‘lil old Eugene decades ago:

CAHOOTS
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#326507 - 06/11/20 02:16 PM Re: Defund the Police [Re: Greger]
CPWILL Offline
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Originally Posted By: Greger
What the hell are cops doing in schools anyway?


For some schools it's necessary to maintain internal security, however, generally, that trend began as a response to school shootings. I'm not against arming teachers as a response instead of putting police in there, mind you, but that is why they are there.
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#326508 - 06/11/20 02:27 PM Re: Defund the Police [Re: Ken Condon]
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Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Still lurking out here. How about this idea that originated in ‘lil old Eugene decades ago:

CAHOOTS

This is proof that Eugene-ics can save the human race!
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#326532 - 06/11/20 05:43 PM Re: Defund the Police [Re: CPWILL]
jgw Offline
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cops in school for, I think, two reasons. The first one was to control gang members in high schools and the second was to deal with shooters of students.

What seems to be happening is that the police being assigned are eithers screwups or semi-retired. There have been a number of instances wherein the police have savaged students or simple did nothing. I do know that there have been police on the premises when shootings were happening and their presence didn't do a thing.

I also know that schools REALLY need nurses, advisors and somebody to help with mental problems.

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#326535 - 06/11/20 06:01 PM Re: Defund the Police [Re: jgw]
CPWILL Offline
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Originally Posted By: jgw
cops in school for, I think, two reasons. The first one was to control gang members in high schools and the second was to deal with shooters of students.

What seems to be happening is that the police being assigned are eithers screwups or semi-retired. There have been a number of instances wherein the police have savaged students or simple did nothing. I do know that there have been police on the premises when shootings were happening and their presence didn't do a thing.


This is where we run into the problem that the plural of "anecdote" is not "data". I honestly have no idea if anyone has taken a look, empirically, at whether or not the presence of resources officers has reduced crime in schools from where it otherwise might be, or how many times they've stopped or otherwise kept an active shooter from hunting students.


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I also know that schools REALLY need nurses, advisors and somebody to help with mental problems.


I believe they already have those folks as well. I would suggest that, in terms of where we should be increasing or decreasing personnel, there probably isn't a "Schools More Y" or "Schools Need Less X". Probably individual schools need different things, depending on their local situation.
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