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#326521 - 06/11/20 03:16 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
It's just amazing how all the voting machine problems just happen to occur in largely black areas.

https://apnews.com/e7ea6e919fadb995c407eea3a4450176


Given that those machines and sites are generally run by the County Governments, I'm not sure that's a narrative you want to push...


Who determines the voting rules and methodology in a state?
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#326524 - 06/11/20 03:31 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
So let me get this straight: We can not or should not improve our relationship with American black folks (ie, stop killing them) because the Uighurs have it worse?


No. The point was that, despite continued abuses that exist in our country, this Liberal, individual-rights-oriented Western society of ours is stillA) better than the alternatives and
B) improving
Whether or not the Chinese government is currently engaging in a form of genocide should have no bearing on whether or not or how we choose to address issues in this country, except that it should offer us a cautionary tale against the horror that can come when you define, dehumanize, and deride people based on their ethnicity.

"Better" in this case is not good enough, and I really can't improve on MLK's reply to 'be patient, things are improving'."

I don't care if we're better than China. China is not even relevant to the situation here. The situation here is unacceptable and has to change, whether or not that change is accepted by our government and/or the so-called "silent majority".

It could be that neither the Uighurs nor the African-Americans are making good choices. They could simply choose to live better? I mean, it's a free market out there, ain't it?
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#326526 - 06/11/20 04:02 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
"Better" in this case is not good enough, and I really can't improve on MLK's reply to 'be patient, things are improving'."


We live in a broken world that will never be "good enough" while we live here - at best it can only become less bad. What we have achieved here in this country is amazingly less bad than what we as a species have historically achieved, and what other societies have achieved around the world. I concur there are definitely things we can reform in this country that would move us in a less-bad direction - reform of public sector unions, which protect their bad actors from accountability comes to mind, as does changing Qualified Immunity to a Reasonable Man standard. That, however, doesn't make me not-thankful for what we have.

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I don't care if we're better than China.


Then don't respond to a conversation about that. smile


Edited by CPWILL (06/11/20 04:04 PM)
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#326527 - 06/11/20 04:02 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
It could be that neither the Uighurs nor the African-Americans are making good choices. They could simply choose to live better? I mean, it's a free market out there, ain't it?


In China?


Edited by CPWILL (06/11/20 04:03 PM)
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#326528 - 06/11/20 04:05 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: Hamish Howl]
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Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
It's just amazing how all the voting machine problems just happen to occur in largely black areas.

https://apnews.com/e7ea6e919fadb995c407eea3a4450176


Given that those machines and sites are generally run by the County Governments, I'm not sure that's a narrative you want to push...


Who determines the voting rules and methodology in a state?


smile Who runs the voting sites that are having the problems you are complaining about?
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#326529 - 06/11/20 04:09 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: logtroll
It could be that neither the Uighurs nor the African-Americans are making good choices. They could simply choose to live better? I mean, it's a free market out there, ain't it?

In China?

Dang it, yer right... they just need a lot more government protections and regulation, like we've got!

Simple.
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#326534 - 06/11/20 05:58 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: logtroll
It could be that neither the Uighurs nor the African-Americans are making good choices. They could simply choose to live better? I mean, it's a free market out there, ain't it?

In China?

Dang it, yer right... they just need a lot more government protections and regulation, like we've got!

Simple.


*snorts*

Yeah. If only China had a big, overbearing government, the incidents of human rights abuses by that government would surely go down. Surely, right?
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#326537 - 06/11/20 06:13 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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2 cents and something on which to cogitate

In mathematics there is something known as the axiom of choice. It is one of the major ideas which enable higher mathematics to be created. Turns out there are ( to best of my recollection) some 21 different equivalent statements in mathematics to the simple statement of the axiom. Think about that .... 21 different statements which are equivalent ... and some of them are so abstract and esoteric as to make one believe they have no bearing on the axiom ... but they do ... as they can be proven to be equivalent.

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Given that those machines and sites are generally run by the County Governments, I'm not sure that's a narrative you want to push

That statement is the equivalent to ... counties which are run by white folks are competent.

think mathematics and enjoy your broad minded contemplation
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#326538 - 06/11/20 06:46 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: logtroll
It could be that neither the Uighurs nor the African-Americans are making good choices. They could simply choose to live better? I mean, it's a free market out there, ain't it?

In China?

Dang it, yer right... they just need a lot more government protections and regulation, like we've got!

Simple.

Yeah. If only China had a big, overbearing government, the incidents of human rights abuses by that government would surely go down. Surely, right?

How do you get "big, overbearing..." from "...protections and regulations..."?

Might be more than a bit of anti-government prejudice in that free-market Capitalism ideology of yourn. FMC would die in two heartbeats without the socialism of government protections and regulation, which means that it is basically a delusional myth. Don't you agree, expert reviewer?
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#326539 - 06/11/20 07:49 PM Re: The Far-Right's Civil War aka "boogaloo" [Re: CPWILL]
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Originally Posted By: CPWILL
... the term "or more" is used in reference to "an order of magnitude". This quote makes the claim that what is happening is either:

A. An order of magnitude worse than what African Americans face in this country today

or

B. More than an order of magnitude worse than what African Americans face in this country today.

Of course a white nationalist would claim that the bigotry, racism, and criminal injustice experienced by black Americans and their families for 400 years pales in comparison to more recent bigotry and atrocities experienced globally by other minorities - and in particular, the Muslim Uighurs by the Chinese Government.

Thank you for clearing that up. You people just can't help yourself. smile

You're probably pissed as well, that there will be no more Confederate flags at NASCAR and that Lady Annebellum changed their name to Lady A. coffee
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