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#327816 - 08/05/20 12:48 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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A holes? charismatic presidents include FDR, JFK, Reagan, Bill Clinton and Obama. Those are my charismatic presidents. But here is the list of the THE PROGRESSIVE PROFESSOR:

http://www.theprogressiveprofessor.com/?tag=charismatic-presidents
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#327817 - 08/05/20 01:54 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Waiting is what Americans have been doing since Teddy Roosevelt on universal health care (hell! Bismarck introduced it in the 19th Century), over 400 yrs for equal rights, and forever for economic justice.
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#327820 - 08/05/20 03:51 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Irked]
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Originally Posted By: Irked
Waiting is what Americans have been doing since Teddy Roosevelt on universal health care (hell! Bismarck introduced it in the 19th Century), over 400 yrs for equal rights, and forever for economic justice.

While Trump is trying to repeat the Herbert Hoover years, Trump also tells James Buchanan to hold his beer.

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#327822 - 08/05/20 04:53 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: perotista]
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A holes? charismatic presidents include FDR, JFK, Reagan, Bill Clinton and Obama.


FDR and JFK were American aristocrats. Born into power and wealth.

Reagan was a movie star, Bill Clinton an inveterate womanizer.

Obama's ego is bigger than most rooms he walks into. He is always above the fray...he is always above pretty much everything. To enter the fray is beneath him.

Yes, assh*les.

Trump is also one of those charismatic leaders.

Even old down home George Bush who used his phony Texas persona is both charismatic, and an assh*le. Hillary Clinton is just an assh*le. But she would've been a great president.
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#327824 - 08/05/20 06:25 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I do think we have two separate definitions of charisma or being charismatic. As for Hillary, I think everyone knew exactly how she would have governed. To some that would have made her a great president, to others just a plain old elitist, aloof, know it all A-hole.

To probably most Americans, a majority of them anyway, presidential elections are nothing more than beauty contests which the candidates trying to manipulate the unwashed masses perspectives of them. In the end, most folks end up voting for the candidate they dislike the least. In today's day and age, very few actually vote for a candidate anymore, just against the other guy.
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#327828 - 08/05/20 07:25 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: perotista]
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a plain old elitist, aloof, know it all A-hole.


That describes pretty much every politician ever. The charismatic ones know how to grin and glad hand, how to kiss babies and make the unwashed masses love their elitist, aloof, know it all asses.

Trump is the best example of that ever. Charisma got him elected, but once elected to a leadership position it turned out he had no leadership skills.

Hillary Clinton has leadership skills but no charisma. She's a worker, not a charmer.

The Clintons, to this day, are worldwide power brokers, leaders on many fronts in the battle for the good of mankind. One of them is charismatic, people flock to him like gulls on a dropped bag of fries. One is the worker bee.
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#327831 - 08/05/20 09:50 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I always suspected that President Clinton was actually Hillary. Bill was just the frontman who was great at getting the rubes into the tent. I think most of his positions came out of deep conversations with her. It was (and still is) an alliance of mutual benefit, more than a normal marriage. That's maybe why she was more disappointed when he couldn't keep it in his pants, rather than infuriated by his betrayal.

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#327834 - 08/05/20 11:07 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: perotista]
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Originally Posted By: perotista
To probably most Americans, a majority of them anyway, presidential elections are nothing more than beauty contests which the candidates trying to manipulate the unwashed masses perspectives of them. In the end, most folks end up voting for the candidate they dislike the least.

That has long been my casual observation, as well. As much as we might wish otherwise, the Prez is elected on very superficial qualities.

Go George Clooney!
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#327837 - 08/05/20 11:54 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I was thinking of George when this first came up.

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#327839 - 08/06/20 01:52 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: perotista
To probably most Americans, a majority of them anyway, presidential elections are nothing more than beauty contests which the candidates trying to manipulate the unwashed masses perspectives of them. In the end, most folks end up voting for the candidate they dislike the least.

That has long been my casual observation, as well. As much as we might wish otherwise, the Prez is elected on very superficial qualities.

Go George Clooney!

Superficial, that an excellent way to state it. Personality and behavior seems to be front and center so far this year.
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