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#327038 - 07/01/20 11:55 AM Re: RoundTable for Summer 2020 [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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We have a second Zoom conference this morning that will focus on using biochar. Here is the major reason for this work.

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The processes that generate high-quality, fertile topsoil can take centuries. But the world is ploughing through that resource at an alarming rate. About 40% of the world's land has already been taken over by agriculture, while livestock grazing and expanding urban areas are taking further chunks out of what is left over.

At first glance, it might seem that there is no shortage of mud and dirt around the world. But it's the quality that really counts.

“Many types of soil degradation are invisible,” says Ronald Vargas, secretary of the global soil partnership at the FAO in Rome. “You just don’t see the loss of organic carbon from soils or pollution building up in it until you try to plant crops there.”

Erosion, compaction, nutrient imbalance, pollution, acidification, water logging, loss of soil biodiversity and increasing salinity have been affecting soil across the globe, reducing its ability to support plant life and so grow crops.
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#327056 - 07/02/20 10:12 PM Re: RoundTable for Summer 2020 [Re: logtroll]
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Erosion, compaction, nutrient imbalance, pollution, acidification, water logging, loss of soil biodiversity and increasing salinity have been affecting soil across the globe, reducing its ability to support plant life and so grow crops.

Could that have been caused by a capitalistic approach to farming?
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#327059 - 07/02/20 11:26 PM Re: RoundTable for Summer 2020 [Re: Greger]
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Well, look on the bright side: we’ll be the only species to have directly caused our own extinction.
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#327060 - 07/03/20 02:52 AM Re: RoundTable for Summer 2020 [Re: Irked]
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We've certainly caused the extinction of thousands of other species.
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#327061 - 07/03/20 02:56 AM Re: RoundTable for Summer 2020 [Re: Greger]
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Erosion, compaction, nutrient imbalance, pollution, acidification, water logging, loss of soil biodiversity and increasing salinity have been affecting soil across the globe, reducing its ability to support plant life and so grow crops.

Could that have been caused by a capitalistic approach to farming?

The free market knows best...
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#327063 - 07/03/20 10:10 AM Re: RoundTable for Summer 2020 [Re: Greger]
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We've certainly caused the extinction of thousands of other species.


Practice...
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#327064 - 07/03/20 07:30 PM Re: RoundTable for Summer 2020 [Re: Greger]
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Erosion, compaction, nutrient imbalance, pollution, acidification, water logging, loss of soil biodiversity and increasing salinity have been affecting soil across the globe, reducing its ability to support plant life and so grow crops.

Could that have been caused by a capitalistic approach to farming?

Again, I think you are equating externalization with capitalism. Externalization has been a very common part of capitalism for a long time, but it doesn't have to be. This is why we need government regulation. Because government is the only thing with enough power to resist the excesses of capitalism.

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#327073 - 07/03/20 07:57 PM Re: RoundTable for Summer 2020 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Erosion, compaction, nutrient imbalance, pollution, acidification, water logging, loss of soil biodiversity and increasing salinity have been affecting soil across the globe, reducing its ability to support plant life and so grow crops.

Could that have been caused by a capitalistic approach to farming?

Again, I think you are equating externalization with capitalism. Externalization has been a very common part of capitalism for a long time, but it doesn't have to be. This is why we need government regulation. Because government is the only thing with enough power to resist the excesses of capitalism.

Yes, I am. Because they are joined at the hip.
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#327078 - 07/04/20 02:15 AM Re: RoundTable for Summer 2020 [Re: logtroll]
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This is why we need government regulation. Because government is the only thing with enough power to resist the excesses of capitalism.


**sighs***
Not when it's so small you can drown it in a bathtub.

Which it currently is. Small, ineffective, and unable to get out of its own way.

It's nearly impossible to get any regulatory measures into place and just as hard to keep them once they are enacted. Private capital will always get its way.
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#327079 - 07/04/20 03:20 AM Re: RoundTable for Summer 2020 [Re: Greger]
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Let's just see what happens next year. If Elizabeth Warren is VP and Kamala Harris AG, I think we might just see something a little different.

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