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#327089 - 07/04/20 05:49 PM Re: What is the purpose of Capitalism? [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
I find it interesting that those against capitalism always seem to refer to that as 'unbridled' (and similiar words) when referring to Capitalism.

My comments on Capitalism are all in response to the "free markets" ideology. I find that none of the systems, as you noted, are anything like pure - never have been and never will be. They are limited intellectual attempts to simplify the extreme complexity of human actions and interactions.
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#327100 - 07/05/20 01:17 AM Re: What is the purpose of Capitalism? [Re: Greger]
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A few days ago, temperatures within the Arctic Circle topped 100 degrees, shattering records. With so many unprecedented crises facing this nation and the world, we must never lose sight of the biggest existential threat facing the planet: climate change.Bernie Sanders


So show me where runaway socialism has created this.


I think it's runaway capitalism.


You want to compare the environmental records of capitalist v socialist countries?
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#327101 - 07/05/20 01:24 AM Re: What is the purpose of Capitalism? [Re: CPWILL]
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Hahahaha! Do you think anyone here is making a case for the classic "Socialist" failures?

Do you think such a reductionist comparison excuses the fact that Capitalism externalizes as many costs as it can get away with?

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#327102 - 07/05/20 01:27 AM Re: What is the purpose of Capitalism? [Re: logtroll]
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I was maybe 14 years old the first time I heard Joni Mitchell - it was on a tinny Japanese transistor radio in a pickup camper out with my folks - camping on a logging road next to a clearcut. I was deeply affected by it...
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#327116 - 07/05/20 06:55 PM Re: What is the purpose of Capitalism? [Re: CPWILL]
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Climate change is the result of the WORLD not giving a damn. There are no sides to what is happening now and trying to blame one group simply does not work. EVERYBODY has had a hand in this one from individuals to groups. I suspect I could claim that there is not a single person, on this site, which has not, at one time or another contributed to the coming disaster.

I read someplace that with the advent of the 100 degrees in the arctic that its likely that the seas will rise 3 feet in the next 10 years. Its interesting. That will destroy beaches, waterfront, entire cities and, yet, there is not, as far as I can tell, a worldwide consensus to fix the problem. I also think that is really not even a possibility anymore. Instead we will have to learn how to live with it and even that has no consensus or, in many cases, even concern.

In other words, our world is blundering into a disaster. There are some concerned and the rest have a different view which goes something like; "So what?"

Another instance which gives me the opportunity to wish us ALL good luck!

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#327121 - 07/05/20 08:36 PM Re: What is the purpose of Capitalism? [Re: CPWILL]
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You want to compare the environmental records of capitalist v socialist countries?

You mean capitalistic countries who were forced into environmental controls until loser dickwad Donald Trump came along versus dictatorial "socialist" countries like China?

Hmm
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#327122 - 07/05/20 08:48 PM Re: What is the purpose of Capitalism? [Re: CPWILL]
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You want to compare the environmental records of capitalist v socialist countries?


So, since it's the socialist model that every modern socialist uses these days, let's look at the Scandinavian model of today rather than the failed "socialist" dictatorships of the past. How are they doing environmentally?

You want to show me how our current model is sustainable? How unfettered capitalism is going to solve all the problems that unfettered capitalism has caused?
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#327168 - 07/08/20 12:59 PM Re: What is the purpose of Capitalism? [Re: Greger]
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I'm trying to decide if it was an act of Socialism, or Capitalism, when Joe Shapiro took Donald Trump's SAT's for him?
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#327182 - 07/08/20 09:06 PM Re: What is the purpose of Capitalism? [Re: logtroll]
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Well, capitalism for sure for Shapiro. He never did it for free.
Socialism in the sense that everybody gets to go to college. But I think socialism would have been better served if they sent Trump to trade school. He probably could have mastered landscape work like running lawn mowers and raking.

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#327193 - 07/09/20 06:13 AM Re: What is the purpose of Capitalism? [Re: logtroll]
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Here's some brilliant capitalists: Father And Sons Charged

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Four Florida men are facing federal charges for allegedly refusing a court order to stop selling a toxic bleach solution called “Miracle Mineral Solution,” or MMS, as a drinkable preventative, treatment and cure for COVID-19.

Mark Grenon, 62, and his sons Jonathan Grenon, 34, Jordan Grenon, 26, and Joseph Grenon, 32, all of Bradenton, were charged Wednesday in Miami with conspiracy and criminal contempt in the manufacture and sale of a mixture that prosecutors said has been linked to illnesses and death.


I beet they use the "President suggested it" defense in court.

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