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#327176 - 07/08/20 07:04 PM Little Houses
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Seattle has been buying little houses for the homeless. They are cute and I suspect they pay something like 20,000.00 for each one. You can get an Ikea Shelter for about 1,000.00. That does not have a toilet but I betcha you can get something for less than the 19,000.00 difference?

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign...ign-of-the-year

Oh, these things are also cheaper than sheds of the same size as well. Just came across and am sharing. Never knew about them.

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#327177 - 07/08/20 08:26 PM Re: Little Houses [Re: jgw]
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Nice price, but I bet the shipping charges make them impractical in the US.

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#327178 - 07/08/20 08:32 PM Re: Little Houses [Re: jgw]
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Tiny houses can be integrated into communities and provide permanent long lasting houses for those who would otherwise be homeless. Those look like great refugee shelters, but not so much a fix for the housing crisis.

Which is a polite way of saying those things are uglier than a mud fence and NO community would allow them. They have the look of makeshift latrines. That's why they're cheap.
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#327192 - 07/09/20 06:04 AM Re: Little Houses [Re: jgw]
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They really are hard-walled tents. No cooking and no bathroom facilities. Okay for a refugee camp, though. Or even a summer camp, if you put some bunk beds in them.

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#327196 - 07/09/20 07:22 PM Re: Little Houses [Re: jgw]
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Yep, for homeless housing they are going to have to build big to house them all. I think I mentioned it but we did that before, in the 50's I think and they were called "the projects". Two things went wrong and, I think, they have now blowed them all up. The first problem was that many moving in came from shacks and they had no idea about stuff like garbage shoots, bath tubs, shower, and even toilet. So if they do it again they are going to have to demonstrate everything to the occupants. The second thing was security. Homeless encampments, for instance, don't have security which means that rape, beatings, drugs, theft, illness, etc. are common and they are simply not safe. Somebody is going to have to figure out security that will work for the occupants, control gangs, etc.

None of this is going to be easy but demand (from all sides) will force the issue and occupants themselves are going to have to be organized and trained.

Anyway ............

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#327198 - 07/09/20 09:42 PM Re: Little Houses [Re: jgw]
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Fortunately, video cameras are now dirt cheap and very tiny. And you can have an AI watch them all and alert human security if it looks like anything bad is happening. That AI is so advanced now they could actually do facial recognition and refuse entry to anyone not in the system until they have been vetted by a resident.

It would be "big brother watching" but if anybody doesn't like it they can go back to the streets.

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#327210 - 07/10/20 10:11 AM Re: Little Houses [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
That AI is so advanced now they could actually do facial recognition and refuse entry to anyone not in the system until they have been vetted by a resident.

It would be "big brother watching" but if anybody doesn't like it they can go back to the streets.


Except for Black, Brown and other dark skinned people. The very people eligible for this housing...
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#327213 - 07/10/20 06:10 PM Re: Little Houses [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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True, there seems to be a problem with facial recognition and black and brown subjects but, I am sure, that's gonna get fixed pretty quick.

The problem is the human that oversees it all. I suspect, however, that we will find out pretty quick how it works or doesn't....

Oh, then there is the problem of being spied upon but whatever and the resistance therein I can almost hear the rage already. This would be yet another instance of some simply not recognizing what their own best interest is until they need, and don't have security until its too late.

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#327219 - 07/10/20 07:52 PM Re: Little Houses [Re: jgw]
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I bet using infrared light to look at human faces would not even pick up the skin pigments. Skin color is easily faked by using makeup, so not so useful for facial recognition. And cheap video cameras are so sensitive to infrared, they have to add infrared cut filters so you don't get a blurry image from chromatic aberration. They just need to use different filters for infrared-only. And infrared LED light sources are dirt-cheap.

The issue of being spied upon is relieved by making residence in the building voluntary, signs in the lobby, and rental contracts that spell it out in plain large print. Just like you can have security guards and metal detectors at the entrance to a gun-free building, even though concealed carry might be legal in that state.

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#327221 - 07/10/20 08:44 PM Re: Little Houses [Re: jgw]
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My problem is that there are some people who would even fight what you are suggesting. They simply do-not-get-it and resent any thought that somebody will always do them over no matter what. The some of the Democratic purists are part of this kind of attitude and it drives me nuts. Just saying - and, I guess, whining........

All that being said I still think its gonna happen and, hopefully, they will also get some security to go along with it. I can remember reading reports, in the NY Times (I used to subscribe when I was rich). There were reports of lids playing in the garbage shoots, barbecues in the bath tubs, etc. due to, basically, ignorance. Whether we like it or not we do have a seriously ignorant lower class which is flat out ignored and many don't believe exist. I consider it just yet another example of societal failure of which we have a lot of. Another one would be healthcare - there are others as well.

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