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#327261 - 07/12/20 05:00 PM Re: There needs to be a ‘real reckoning’ for Trump’s abuses if Biden wins [Re: pdx rick]
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Congress can write laws so that a Trump presidency never happens again.


What sorts of laws would those be? That only men of honour, married once with three kids and no affairs, who have never been sued or employed as an entertainer, and who has served in some capacity as an elected official, preferably a governor or a senator and of relatively modest means?

What's to be done when the people choose a bad candidate? Tell them their votes don't matter because their candidate is morally unfit to run for office? He simply doesn't meet the Democrats' standards for candidacy...?

We have laws about emolluments. We have laws about nepotism. Trump sidestepped them. He sidesteps everything that get in his way. Because once elected, nobody really has any official power over the president.

If he was doing all this for the good of the people I'd be entirely in favor of what he is doing.

In their own twisted way, I imagine that Republicans somehow think he is doing this for the good of the people. They are just so terribly terribly wrong.
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#327268 - 07/12/20 06:05 PM Re: There needs to be a ‘real reckoning’ for Trump’s abuses if Biden wins [Re: pondering_it_all]
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If he should go to Russia he will not be welcome. The United States will continue to exist and, if he did that, they would not be high in our esteem. Russia has serious problems and doesn't need any more. My own wondering about what might happen - I think they will either kill him or hide him.

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#327271 - 07/12/20 06:59 PM Re: There needs to be a ‘real reckoning’ for Trump’s abuses if Biden wins [Re: pdx rick]
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There are an awful lot of things that are not laws, that a President is expected to do. The next Congress could make those laws. None of those laws have to specify good character, lack of divorce, and such. They could also make the Inspector General positions answer to Congress, instead of the President. It's kind of naive to say we have congressional oversight of the Executive Branch but have the IGs fired by the President when they do their job.

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#327283 - 07/13/20 01:04 AM Re: There needs to be a ‘real reckoning’ for Trump’s abuses if Biden wins [Re: jgw]
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I think they will either kill him or hide him.


And I think he will spend his remaining years golfing at Mar-A-Lago.

Only one of us can be right and I bet it's me.
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#327285 - 07/13/20 01:18 AM Re: There needs to be a ‘real reckoning’ for Trump’s abuses if Biden wins [Re: Greger]
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...And I think he will spend his remaining years golfing at Mar-A-Lago.

Except for the existence of this pesky Agreement.
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#327293 - 07/13/20 07:03 PM Re: There needs to be a ‘real reckoning’ for Trump’s abuses if Biden wins [Re: pondering_it_all]
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If Trump loses, and the Dems take it all the best thing they can do is legislate. There is a LOT of stuff to be done and, hopefully, they won't bog down with fights, especially fights from the purists

If they don't it will cost them bigtime. I can't imagine a time when so much has been expected of a political party.

Trump, for instance, has signed well over 100 orders for this and that. He has gone after national monuments, the environment, the national parks, and a LOT more than that and its all gotta get fixed. I betcha that if one went to any Democratic support groups one would find that they have lists of what they want done. If I was in Dem management I would start requesting those lists right now so they know what they are dealing with. I might also help with the campaign as they would be able to see just what is expected and talk about it.

I know, that too is unlikely to happen but one can always hope?

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#327297 - 07/13/20 07:56 PM Re: There needs to be a ‘real reckoning’ for Trump’s abuses if Biden wins [Re: pdx rick]
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It dawns on me that my last had absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the topic - apologies.

Apparently there is something like 400 suits, against Trump, that will go forward after he leaves office. If you google "existing suits against trump" you will get something like 3 million returns. There are 40 women after him for sexual offenses, there are hundreds of people that owe him money for their work. It just goes on and on. Here is one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lawsuits_involving_Donald_Trump

Now I have no idea how much money Trump has but a lot of it can get burned when you have something going on like this. As an aside I have read that he has never made a dime on any of his golf courses until he became president and forced gov to pay for him staying and playing on one and housing the secret service, at high prices, on one. I also expect that, eventually, somebody will get a suit that will force him to return ill gotten gains whilst in the presidency (there are several of those going on right now). I can't help but also remember that we are talking about a person who has demonstrated that he is, flat out, the very worst businessman in the entire nation!

Anyway, all that being said, I suspect that Mr Trump, the civilian, has a LOT on his plate when he leaves office. He will be forced to deal with it with his own money rather than the money of others (which is is doing right now). That will, I think, help to "deal with Trump's abuses" after he leaves office?

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#327298 - 07/13/20 08:56 PM Re: There needs to be a ‘real reckoning’ for Trump’s abuses if Biden wins [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
It is neither Biden's nor Congresses duty to punish the president or his followers. They are tasked with repairing the damage. They are not cops and detectives, they are legislators.


Furthermore, it sets a terrible (and extremely dangerous) precedent. Do we really want to convince future Presidents that the only way they can make sure they aren't personally gone after as part of a revenge-cycle between the factions is not to peacefully give up power in accordance with our rules and norms?

'Cuz, the last time I'm aware of a Republic creating that incentive structure, eventually, one of the leading Executives (guy name of Julius) decided he wasn't willing to sacrifice himself to maintain a system on behalf of those who would seek to take it.
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#327302 - 07/14/20 12:00 AM Re: There needs to be a ‘real reckoning’ for Trump’s abuses if Biden wins [Re: CPWILL]
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Do we really want to convince future Presidents who commit crimes that the only way they can make sure they aren't personally gone after as part of a revenge-cycle between the factions is not to peacefully give up power in accordance with our rules and norms?


There, I fixed that for you. But I don't think it would be a big concern, because how many President do we have who actually commit crimes? Trump's prosecution for his crimes would insure we don't have any more. Don't forget, Robert Mueller is a Republican, and he said Trump needs to be prosecuted for Obstruction of Justice. I think that proves it is not partisan revenge. It's crime and punishment.

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#327306 - 07/14/20 01:38 AM Re: There needs to be a ‘real reckoning’ for Trump’s abuses if Biden wins [Re: CPWILL]
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Furthermore, it sets a terrible (and extremely dangerous) precedent. Do we really want to convince future Presidents that the only way they can make sure they aren't personally gone after as part of a revenge-cycle between the factions is not to peacefully give up power in accordance with our rules and norms?

Here's a thought: Why do the crime, if you don't have the time?

It's hilarious that GOP'ers think of themselves as the "Law and Order" party and THAT is completely laughable. laugh
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