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#326958 - 06/27/20 10:45 AM Re: The Boogaloo Bois [Re: pdx rick]
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It was also because of Reagan as Governor of California that when the Black Panthers were walking around Sacramento open carrying, his racist rightwing white nationalist spine went limp and that is was the start of California's strict gun measures today.

Come to think of it, mebbe if more black Americans opened carried in open carry states, the scared white legislature of those states would ban guns and assault rifles too.

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#326961 - 06/27/20 02:50 PM Re: The Boogaloo Bois [Re: pdx rick]
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if more black Americans opened carried in open carry states, the scared white legislature of those states would ban guns and assault rifles too.


They shot a little black boy for playing with a toy gun in a park.

They shot a black Walmart customer before he could get to the check out to buy a toy gun.

Black people and open carry is suicide and they know it.
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#326963 - 06/27/20 03:28 PM Re: The Boogaloo Bois [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Actually, Reagan was a horrible governor. He had no previous government office experience at the time he first ran, much like Trump, and he made some major blunders as a result. There are still large groups in California who hate him, like teachers and state employees.

His people committed crimes by negotiating with the Iranians to not release their hostages until Reagan won and took office. This was essentially treason. As President, he mostly went on TV and gave nice speeches that his followers enjoyed, and left everything else to Cheney. He made decisions with the help of psychics, and then by his second term he was pretty far into senility. After he got shot, Nancy filled his role (fairly competently) as again Cheney actually ran the Executive Branch. He may have been what the majority of voters thought they wanted, but he was way less intelligent or competent than Carter, the Naval nuclear engineer.

His administration was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any U.S. president.


All of that might be true. But the majority of Americans liked Reagan and still do. Reagan was one of the most popular president seen by America as a whole, perhaps not by Democrats, but by all Americans.

In the latest C-SPAN historian rankings, 2017, Historians ranked Reagan 9th.

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2017/?page=overall

Then on the question of the best and worst presidents since WWII, here's how the average American see them.

Best and Worst presidents since WWII

2014 Quinnipiac poll
A Quinnipiac University poll taken June 24–30, 2014, asked 1,446 registered voters in the United States who they thought were the best and worst Presidents since World War II.

Best President since World War II:

Ronald Reagan (35%)
Bill Clinton (18%)
John F. Kennedy (15%)
Barack Obama (8%)
Dwight Eisenhower (5%)
Harry S. Truman (4%)
Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (3%)
George H. W. Bush (tie) (3%)
Jimmy Carter (2%)
Richard Nixon (tie) (1%)
Gerald Ford (tie) (1%)
George W. Bush (tie) (1%)

Worst President since World War II:

Barack Obama (33%)
George W. Bush (28%)
Richard Nixon (13%)
Jimmy Carter (8%)
Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (3%)
Ronald Reagan (tie) (3%)
Bill Clinton (tie) (3%)
Gerald Ford (tie) (2%)
George H. W. Bush (tie) (2%)
Dwight Eisenhower (1%)
Harry S. Truman (tie) (<1%)
John F. Kennedy (tie) (<1%)
2017 Quinnipiac poll
Four years later, a Quinnipiac University poll taken January 20–25, 2017, asked 1,190 voters in the United States who they thought were the best and worst Presidents since World War II.

Best President since World War II:

Ronald Reagan (30%)
Barack Obama (29%)
John F. Kennedy (12%)
Bill Clinton (9%)
Dwight Eisenhower (tie) (3%)
George W. Bush (tie) (3%)
Harry Truman (tie) (2%)
Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (2%)
Jimmy Carter (tie) (2%)
George H. W. Bush (tie) (2%)
Richard Nixon (tie) (<1%)
Gerald R. Ford (tie) (<1%)

Worst President since World War II:

Richard Nixon (24%)
Barack Obama (23%)
George W. Bush (22%)
Jimmy Carter (10%)
Ronald Reagan (5%)
Bill Clinton (4%)
Lyndon B. Johnson (3%)
George H. W. Bush (2%)
Gerald R. Ford (1%)
Harry S. Truman (tie) (<1%)
Dwight Eisenhower (tie) (<1%)
John F. Kennedy (tie) (<1%)
2017 Morning Consult poll
Including for the first time President Donald Trump, a Morning Consult poll taken February 9–10, 2017, asked 1,791 registered voters in the United States, who they thought were the best and worst Presidents since World War II.

Best President since World War II:

Ronald Reagan (26%)
Barack Obama (20%)
John F. Kennedy (17%)
Bill Clinton (9%)
Donald Trump (6%)
George W. Bush (tie) (2%)
Harry Truman (tie) (2%)
Jimmy Carter (tie) (2%)
George H. W. Bush (tie) (2%)
Richard Nixon (tie) (1%)
Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (1%)
Gerald R. Ford (<1%)

Worst President since World War II:

Donald Trump (26%)
Barack Obama (25%)
Richard Nixon (13%)
George W. Bush (7%)
Bill Clinton (6%)
Jimmy Carter (5%)
George H. W. Bush (3%)
Lyndon B. Johnson (2%)
Ronald Reagan (tie) (1%)
Gerald R. Ford (tie) (1%)
Harry S. Truman (tie) (1%)
John F. Kennedy (<1%)
2018 Quinnipiac poll
A Quinnipiac University poll taken March 3–5, 2018, asked 1,122 voters in the United States who they thought were the best and worst Presidents since World War II.

Best President since World War II:

Ronald Reagan (28%)
Barack Obama (24%)
John F. Kennedy (tie) (10%)
Bill Clinton (tie) (10%)
Donald Trump (7%)
Dwight Eisenhower (4%)
Harry Truman (tie) (3%)
Jimmy Carter (tie) (3%)
Lyndon B. Johnson (2%)
George H. W. Bush (tie) (1%)
Richard Nixon (tie) (1%)
George W. Bush (tie) (1%)
Gerald R. Ford (<1%)

Worst President since World War II:

Donald Trump (41%)
Barack Obama (21%)
Richard Nixon (10%)
Jimmy Carter (8%)
George W. Bush (6%)
Bill Clinton (4%)
Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (2%)
Ronald Reagan (tie) (2%)
Gerald R. Ford (1%)
Harry S. Truman (tie) (<1%)
Dwight Eisenhower (tie) (<1%)
John F. Kennedy (tie) (<1%)
George H. W. Bush (tie) (<1%)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

Ronald Reagan is still looked back on very fondly. But you can also see the very partisan divide by looking at the names of the best and the worst.
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#326966 - 06/27/20 05:19 PM Re: The Boogaloo Bois [Re: pdx rick]
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According to political scientists, Donald Trump has replaced James Buchanan as the worst POTUS ever, and BAMZ!!!! is one position higher at number 8 than mush-brained Reagan at number 9.

Sounds about right. smile

After all, 63M idiots thought that a narcissistic mentally ill reality TV star with no government experience or knowledge, 6 business bankruptcies, five kids from 3 different women, 26 charges of sexual assault, numerous adulterous affairs, over 4,000 lawsuits against him would make a fine POTUS in November 2016. Hmm

Obviously, public opinion isn't worth much. crazy Professionals like political scientists should make these lists. laugh
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#326969 - 06/27/20 05:32 PM Re: The Boogaloo Bois [Re: pdx rick]
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"thought that a narcissistic mentally ill reality TV star with no government experience or knowledge, 6 business bankruptcies, five kids from 3 different women, 26 charges of sexual assault, numerous adulterous affairs, over 4,000 lawsuits against him"

Should be the starting point of any discussion of The Jackass Trump. WELL DONE!

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#326972 - 06/27/20 07:21 PM Re: The Boogaloo Bois [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick


According to political scientists, Donald Trump has replaced James Buchanan as the worst POTUS ever, and BAMZ!!!! is one position higher at number 8 than mush-brained Reagan at number 9.

Sounds about right. smile

After all, 63M idiots thought that a narcissistic mentally ill reality TV star with no government experience or knowledge, 6 business bankruptcies, five kids from 3 different women, 26 charges of sexual assault, numerous adulterous affairs, over 4,000 lawsuits against him would make a fine POTUS in November 2016. Hmm

Obviously, public opinion isn't worth much. crazy Professionals like political scientists should make these lists. laugh

I don't think that many thought Trump would make a great president. If you look at the numbers, it was who the major parties nominate that a majority of Americans couldn't stand.

You had 56% of all Americans who viewed Hillary negatively and didn't want her to become president. Trump was worst, 60% didn't want him to become president along with 25% of all Americans who viewed both nominated candidates, negatives and didn't want neither one. Questions 10 and 11.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

and

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-...candidates.aspx

We have Trump due to the choices, decisions and actions taken by both major parties in 2016. When you have only 36% of all Americans liking and wanting one candidate vs 38% who like and wanted the other, those are bum choices. There was a whole lot of voting for the candidate one least wanted to lose, not win, but least wanted to lose. The choices sucked for most Americans in 2016. For a majority of Americans.

You have to put 2016 in its proper context and perspective to fully understand why Trump won. I know, it's darn near impossible to get a Hillary supporter to recognize the fact she was as disliked and as unwanted as Trump was. In our entire history, we never had a candidate with less than a 40% favorable rating, then viola, we get two in 2016. In fact there has been only 3 candidates in our history that has had a less than 50% favorable rating. 1964 Barry Goldwater at 43%, 2016 Hillary Clinton at 38% and Donald Trump at 36%. Another fact, only two candidates in our history has ever had an over 50% unfavorable mark. Trump at 60%, Hillary Clinton at 56%. Even Barry Goldwater at 47% didn't reach 50%.

You can rant and rave all you want about Trump. But if the Democrats had nominate a decent candidate, one that wasn't so disliked by America as a whole, we would never of had Trump. It wasn't that the Democrats weren't given advance warning about Hillary Clinton. They were. Back in Feb 2016, 56% of all Americans stated they wanted the Democrats to nominate someone other than Hillary Clinton. Of course the Democrats ignored all Americans, that was their right. Democrats choose their nominee, not all of America. But all of America choose who will become president. Something lost on the Democrats in 2016. Perhaps they didn't realize or forgot it was all of America who would choose the next president, not just Democrats.

Luckily, it seems the Democrats have learned that valuable lesson from 2016.
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#326980 - 06/28/20 12:43 AM Re: The Boogaloo Bois [Re: pdx rick]
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The big difference in 2016 is that Trump was disliked for all sorts of valid reasons, while Clinton was disliked for 30 years of mud-slinging by Republicans. Plus of course, some last minute public statements by Comey and Russian hacking released by wikileaks. Not to mention actual criminal acts by Trump's people.

The public's dislike of Clinton was a criminal conspiracy that continues to this day. But not for much longer. Biden's promised he won't be pardoning any of them. We'll see how much public opinion changes when a bunch more criminals from the Trump administration rot in prison where they belong.

I think the latest revelation that Russian government entities have been paying the Taliban a bounty for each American soldier they kill, and the fact that Trump has known about this all along, is going to make a lot of folks rethink their loyalties.

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#326989 - 06/28/20 11:57 AM Re: The Boogaloo Bois [Re: pdx rick]
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I always felt that partisan's from both sides of the aisle always fail to see the reality of the big picture. They're seeing the world through either deep red or deep blue colored glasses. In 2016 it really didn't matter the reasons why Clinton was disliked, what was needed was to acknowledge that and move on to a candidate that was seen in a more positive light by America as a whole. I personally think that in 2016 Hillary was disliked because she came across to the less to non-partisan folks as aloof, elitist and fake. One has to remember that for most independents, the less to non-partisans they don't follow politics, the daily grind at all. Most don't become much interested in politics until an election approaches. They're busy with their daily lives, rooting for the favorite sports team and watching their favorite TV show. Politics is something way down the list for them. The reason is simple, they don't have a horse in the race. So they go by their feelings when it comes time to begin paying attention.

So even if it were 30 years of mudslinging, most of the less to non-partisans, the independents probably never heard of 29 and a half years of it. What they saw as an obnocious, uncouth, unmannered, raunchy candidate vs. a fake, an elitist, one heck of an aloof individual. This is why 54% of all independents, the non-affiliated, less to non-partisan's disliked both major party candidates. Their perspective of both was both sucked which resulted in 12% of those folks voting against both.

I'm not a partisan, both major parties disgust me to no end. I like to think of myself as a political realist. Cold hard numbers, cold hard numbers especially if one delves deep into them can explain a lot of things. The explanations that the partisan folks don't want to hear, most won't even acknowledge the facts or if they do, come up with excuses.

The numbers tell me that Clinton was disliked by the way she acted and came across to the people, especially those who pay little to no attention to politics. That was their perspective of her, how they felt about her. Of course Democrats would love her, Republicans would hate her, the rest go by individual perceptions of what they see and hear, how she acts and comes across to them. Aloof, elitist, fake are the three most utilized words expressed by the non-affiliated, less to non-partisan, independent group of voters. They arrived at that perspective of Clinton from what they seen probably from June 2016 through Nov 2016. Not from 30 years as they weren't even paying any attention to her then.
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#326991 - 06/28/20 05:02 PM Re: The Boogaloo Bois [Re: perotista]
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Hillary Clinton was America's most admired woman for 17 years running.

People had opinions about her, mostly they were good. Democrats didn't go looking for the nastiest old rich woman they could find, they carefully chose someone with name recognition, qualifications, and experience.

Republicans picked Trump. The media swarmed him and made him look clever and witty. Practically every headline was about him for months. Conservative voters lapped it up and are still licking the empty bowl.

Clinton won by 3 million votes.

There's the truth of it.
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#327326 - 07/14/20 03:19 PM Re: The Boogaloo Bois [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Hillary Clinton was America's most admired woman for 17 years running.

People had opinions about her, mostly they were good. Democrats didn't go looking for the nastiest old rich woman they could find, they carefully chose someone with name recognition, qualifications, and experience.

Republicans picked Trump. The media swarmed him and made him look clever and witty. Practically every headline was about him for months. Conservative voters lapped it up and are still licking the empty bowl.

Clinton won by 3 million votes.

There's the truth of it.

Conservatives voted for Trump in the hope that he’d ruin other people’s lives, not their own. gobsmacked
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