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#327649 - 07/27/20 07:01 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: Greger]
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Last night, in Seattle something like 57 police were injured and several are in the hospital. This stuff gives Trump a LOT of ammunition!

The Democratic response, in this instance, is muted to nothing. Again, this stuff gives Trump a LOT of ammunition!

ie. the Dems are back at it again. It they keep it up they can blow it bigtime!

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#327651 - 07/27/20 08:27 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Last night, in Seattle something like 57 police were injured and several are in the hospital. This stuff gives Trump a LOT of ammunition!

The Democratic response, in this instance, is muted to nothing. Again, this stuff gives Trump a LOT of ammunition!

ie. the Dems are back at it again. It they keep it up they can blow it bigtime!


That I agree. Especially if the Democrats are seen taking the side of those sending the police to the hospital. You'll have a ton of TV ads citing the Democrats as being pro-violence and definitely anti police and to add to that, anti law and order.

Yep, very possible.

But if this all settles down in a month, it won't mean anything as it will be ancient history in most voters minds. The pandemic will be front and center once again.
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#327653 - 07/27/20 10:39 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: perotista]
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#327658 - 07/27/20 11:27 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: Irked]
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Politics is all about perceptions. Republicans perceive Democrats a certain way, Democrats perceive Republicans in their way. The battle then becomes to try to get those in the middle to perceive each candidate in the way those running want themselves and their opponent to be perceived.

So many times, facts, truth, who's army, gets lost in the battle of perceptions. For a lot of folks it will look like the Democrats in charge of those cities are weak, condone the violence, support the defunding of police, have taken the side of the protesters over all and everything else.

How successful that will be, remains to be seen. So all this violence and putting police into the hospital can easily get some folks to view the democrats as crazy as loony birds. How many? Time will tell. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if BLM isn't being held responsible for the violence by quite a lot more folks than just a few days ago.They started the protests, their name has long been attached to those protests. So we'll have to wait and see.
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#327663 - 07/28/20 05:48 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: Irked]
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Here's a good article on what I've been talking about.

"Despite Trump's goading, Biden steers clear of 'law and order' debate"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/despite-trump...-005436635.html
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#327664 - 07/28/20 06:00 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: perotista]
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This is America - EVERYTHING is based on perception! Fact, reality, you know, all that stuff is not all important. Instead we deny science, fact, etc.

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#327667 - 07/28/20 08:02 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: perotista]
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How successful that will be, remains to be seen
Yes I am amazed AG Barr plead ignorance that violent federal provocations would potentionally be beneficial to Mr Trump's campaign.

I have to wonder just how far up Mr Trump's butt is AG Barr's head? or is AG Barr just stupid?
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#327670 - 07/28/20 11:02 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314

I have to wonder just how far up Mr Trump's butt is AG Barr's head? or is AG Barr just stupid?


Barr has zero morality, a man who believes any means is sanctified by his imagined divine goal. He is authoritarian slime. So, your question is moot. Neither, either or both could all be true, it doesn’t matter. Barr does this of his own volition.
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#327672 - 07/28/20 11:56 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: Irked]
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I was thinking driving home from Burger King today. Being I have been military almost all my adult life, some 47 years. I'm amazed at the importance civilians place on race? Perhaps it because they never got to know, work with, depend on like we do and did in the military. Then again our structure was different, it was always Sergeant, Private, Captain, General or Mr. and Ms, Sir or Ma'am.

No one ever asked the soldier who had your back what race or religion he was. No one cared. You had your trust in him, his trust was with you. I've been told when it comes to race, religion also that I lived a sheltered life. Perhaps so.

I suppose as in race and religion, adding politics to the mix, those in the military, active retired or just served a few years. Even civilians working for the military seems to have a entire different outlook on this subject and perhaps life in general. Just curious.
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#327673 - 07/29/20 12:21 AM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: Irked]
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My thoughts on this, perotista, are that the disconnect between people in civilian life as opposed to those in service is due to the replacement of civic duties, obligations on the individual as citizens, with patriotism, a voluntary avowal of fealty to a Fatherland. I believe many miss the deeper meaning in the Samuel Johnson quote RE patriotism and scoundrels.

When humans go against their own humanity by denying the social nature of the species and the natural obligations on the individual you end up with a herd of atomized individuals habituated to distrust their fellows. This herd will accomplish very little due to a lack of trust and cooperation and is relatively easy to control by those willing to use any means at hand, the more violent the better.

The regular palace coups this system engenders is a definitive case of “a feature, not a bug.”
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Returning to Portland. smile
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