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#327856 - 08/07/20 01:01 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: Irked]
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The last time Oregon voted Republican in a presidential election was 1984. Which was the last time New York and California went Republican. It isn't about to change stripes over a protest or anything else. Democrats outnumber Republicans in Oregon by 10 plus points.
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#327857 - 08/07/20 06:25 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: Irked]
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I watched the Portland police being interviewed last night. They said that marchers with a reason to march are all gone and all that are left are those wanting to riot and destroy. This is not really surprising to me. Portland has always had a contingent of Anarchists down there. I remember them from the Seattle riots of the 60's - guess they are still there.

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#327859 - 08/08/20 01:18 AM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: jgw]
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The ones who stay for the fireworks are goading the police into being their regular brutal, citizen hating selves. The right to free assembly doesn't end just because it's dark.

It a cat and mouse game until the cops catch on...protesters don't have jobs anymore so it's just entertainment for them.
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#327861 - 08/08/20 02:20 AM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: pdx rick]
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Portland Metro decides the elections. Rural Oregon does not.

Alert! Alert! Fox Gnuz at the moment!

Actually it is most of the Willamette Valley. Salem, Corvallis, some small towns here and there then Eugene. Also there is Bend east of the Cascades.
These places lean Blue. The rest of Oregon is essentially Trump Country. In fact during elections one can leave Eugene, go past the city limits and head out into the rural areas and you will immediately be greeted by Trump signs.

The whole world operates that way. Cities=Blue, Rural=Red..
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#327862 - 08/08/20 03:17 AM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
The ones who stay for the fireworks are goading the police into being their regular brutal, citizen hating selves. The right to free assembly doesn't end just because it's dark.

It a cat and mouse game until the cops catch on...protesters don't have jobs anymore so it's just entertainment for them.

I have a BIL who lives in Portland, a couple of miles from the federal building hotspot. He’s a GP doctor and his partner is a biology professor at a local university- both in their 50’s. They decided to take a walk and have a look at the demonstrations first hand, and were pleasantly surprised, and bemused, that the crowd was nothing like they had expected from news reports. Just a bunch of ordinary people walking around carrying signs and sometimes chanting slogans, mostly about Trump’s rent-a-cops going home. No violence, nobody “attacking” the building with its boarded up windows and big chain link fence. Around midnight Trump’s Troops appeared and started tear gassing and flash-banging the crowd while ordering them to disperse through megaphones. At that point things got chaotic, and some demonstrators began rattling the fence, but most retreated while trying to wash the chemicals off theirs faces. My BIL, who was well back from the demonstrators, got tear gassed, too - he said it was a horrible feeling. Shortly after that, the “police” (none of them Portland police dept) started using a different chemical that he said was “ten times more irritating”. They felt their health, and possibly lives, were in danger and they left.

He could only come away with the opinion that the actions of the “officers” were unwarranted aggravation of a peaceful demonstration, resulting in acts of indiscriminate force and brutality against peaceful citizens. It made him angry, and he can't believe our government would do such a thing.

No terrorist uprisings, no antifa - just citizens protesting bullying authoritarianism, who were treated to an example of what they were protesting in real time.
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#327869 - 08/08/20 05:01 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: logtroll]
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That was when the fed goons were still there. They are now gone and the rioters are left to have their good time. Last night, or the night before, they herded the police into a building and then tried to burn it down.

Yahoo! Must marching for the cause! Yahoo!

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#327875 - 08/09/20 12:05 AM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
That was when the fed goons were still there. They are now gone and the rioters are left to have their good time. Last night, or the night before, they herded the police into a building and then tried to burn it down.

Yahoo! Must marching for the cause! Yahoo!

Does anybody know who they are? Or is it just generally assumed to be "Leftists", as the right wingers are doing. (Leftists is a pretty broad label, and preferred by the Rightists because of being an all inclusive smear). Is it "antifa" ( which is no group in particular), is it BLM (also vague)... who is it?

I find it to be very strange that no one actually cares who the rioters are, or why they are doing it. I think they are mentally unhealthy people with "violence personality disorder".
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#327879 - 08/09/20 05:37 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: logtroll]
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I think they are mentally unhealthy people with "violence personality disorder".

People like Donald Trump?
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#327883 - 08/09/20 06:54 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: logtroll]
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At the risk of iterating. Portland has always had a group of black flaggers there. In the 60's they waved their black flags and were proud of their anarchism - now, not so much. They can claim anything but this, they might even be waving BLM signs but that has nothing to do with the facts. If you don't understand what they stand for you can look it up.

They are the ones, for instance, that started WWI and were proud of that. They want all gov gone!

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#328201 - 08/22/20 03:39 PM Re: Portland. A Turning Point? [Re: Irked]
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When Republicans talk about looters attacking Federal courts...they mean Donald Trump right? Hmm , smile

The fat old orange boy keeps losing in court over his taxes. coffee

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