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#327732 - 08/01/20 07:23 PM What happens if the election doesn't settle due to voting problems?
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The title is the problem. I was watching TV and the guy explaining was a law guy. He said that on January 20, if there is no president the Speaker of the House would be in charge and it would be up to the congress to appoint a president. On January 20 we would have, however, a brand new congress!

Given that Trump has done everything he could, so far (sure to be more) to screw up the election this is becoming a possibility (rather than a probability). Think on this one! Say the Dems lose the election and we get a Republican congress to decide who gets to be president. Talk about interesting times! This is, I think, yet another reason to do everything possible so the Dems win. This kind of stuff is no longer just 'political' but has to do with surviving!

OR

A new congress is not elected either. Then, I guess, the existing congress gets to choose. This includes the do-nothing Republican senate. If that happens it just might be time to move out.

SO

Unless the Covid-19 thing is not done where can one even move to?

Something to think about, I think?

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#327733 - 08/01/20 08:06 PM Re: What happens if the election doesn't settle due to voting problems? [Re: jgw]
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A new Congress will be sworn in by January 4th, but the old President serves until January 20th. A Speaker of the House will be elected well before the 20th. That might not be Pelosi, but it will be somebody who would become President on January 20th. Trump will give us his usual song and dance, but he won't really have any choice.

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#327736 - 08/01/20 08:24 PM Re: What happens if the election doesn't settle due to voting problems? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
A new Congress will be sworn in by January 4th, but the old President serves until January 20th. A Speaker of the House will be elected well before the 20th. That might not be Pelosi, but it will be somebody who would become President on January 20th. Trump will give us his usual song and dance, but he won't really have any choice.

P_I_A is right about this: The Speaker of the House would become President. Trump is done 12:01 EST 01/20/21. smile

There is no way that Trump is going to win re-election and there is no way the ReTHUGlicons will keep control of the Senate.

The Secret Service needs to have a plan now about what to do if Trump doesn't vacate the WH at 12:01 EST 01/20/21. Hmm A red laser beam on the forehead would be my vote. coffee
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#327741 - 08/01/20 08:54 PM Re: What happens if the election doesn't settle due to voting problems? [Re: jgw]
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My opinion!

If no congress is elected, come January 6th**, this year, there is no House of Representatives, it would then devolve to the Senate with its remaining elected and serving Senators (65 or 66 or 67). May be more, maybe fewer, because a few states are electing two senators this go around.

In any case President Donald (Coward, Traitor, Misogynist, Criminal, Serial Predator, Adulterer, Draft Dodger, Narcissist, Liar, Grifter, Incompetent, Bully, Braggart, etc) Trump* and his cabinet would be out of office Jan 20 at 12:01pm. Then we could have a Do Over Election less President Donald (...) Trump* and his underlings.

Who the Speaker would be this Jan 20th, is currently unknown, the new House of Representatives has to vote on whom the Speaker would be and Speaker Pelosie could lose that election or worse yet not be re-elected.

My opinion!


*Impeached
** 20th Amendment - noon "... 3rd day of January, ...".
Here is a loophole - "... unless they shall by law appoint a different day." With a divided congress, a bill to do this would never see the light of day.


Edited by Ujest Shurly (08/03/20 01:37 PM)
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#327742 - 08/01/20 09:49 PM Re: What happens if the election doesn't settle due to voting problems? [Re: jgw]
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The Constitution gives the states the power to set "The times, place and manner of holding elections for senators and representatives shall be proscribed by each state legislature thereof, but the congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulation..."

That's in Article I, section 4, right at the beginning of section 4. It is statutorily set as "the Tuesday next after the first Monday in the month of November" So congress passed a law setting the date for these elections. As for the presidential election, congress also passed a law on that.

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/statute...2/c28s2ch1.pdf

The way I understand this, President Trump can't delay or change the date without the approval of congress. Congress would have to pass a law to change it or delay it and then obtain the president's signature.

The election will proceed as stated by law. There's nothing the president can do about it. I'll admit, I'm not Constitutional scholar or even a lawyer, but searching, googling, I find that most constitutional scholars and election lawyers agree. I don't speak lawyerese, so I'll take their word for it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-el...ts-say-n1235304

So no need to fret, that is unless the Democratic controlled House goes along with delaying the election by passing new legislation, then the GOP senate must concur and pass it also, Trump would have to sign it into law.
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#327745 - 08/01/20 10:05 PM Re: What happens if the election doesn't settle due to voting problems? [Re: jgw]
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Nobody is fretting over Donald Trump's ignorance and lack of understanding of the Constitution. smile
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#327755 - 08/02/20 06:05 PM Re: What happens if the election doesn't settle due to voting problems? [Re: jgw]
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If memory serves me right then, when Trump was searching for a vice president in the 2016 election, he was trying to get a republican governor to take the job. He told the governor that he would be in charge of all the administration as he only wanted to be president and leave the rest to somebody else.

The governor rejected the offer. This means, basically, that Trump never really wanted to do anything but have a title and the bully pulpit. Now, however, we all seem to be amazed that he is so incredibly incompetent. This, in spite of the fact that I think he just may be the only business man, in the history of money, who was able to actually blow through 450 million dollars, given to him by his daddy, and then go banco 6 times!

In spite of that we somehow decided to expect this jerk to actually do the job!

Just saying.................

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#327763 - 08/02/20 10:53 PM Re: What happens if the election doesn't settle due to voting problems? [Re: jgw]
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His term expires. He can't continue as the "acting" president until he decides to accept the results of the election.

I suspect that's one of the secrets of the secret service.

And I imagine there are plans in place.

But Trumps is pretty good at sidestepping anything that comes at him.
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#327773 - 08/03/20 03:09 AM Re: What happens if the election doesn't settle due to voting problems? [Re: jgw]
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Not just bankruptcies, no. He bankrupted two casinos! That takes a special kind of mind, as in the "special" school bus. He had to make innumerate business decisions, not realize he had no talent to run businesses, AND fail to hire people who could. All three distinct failings are features of his current administration.

It's fine when you have an incompetent President like Reagan or GW, as long as they know their limitations and hire experts, and then listen to them. Disaster when you have an incompetent who thinks he knows better than anybody and eschews experts and science.

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#327776 - 08/03/20 10:46 AM Re: What happens if the election doesn't settle due to voting problems? [Re: jgw]
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The sooner America rids itself of deplorable, incompetent Republicans, the better. It's not a coincidence that an economic down turn has happen on every, single, Republican President's watch for the past 120 years.

Republicans bring nothing but trouble and not the good kind, economic hardship, racism and bigotry to decent America.

As it is often said, a fish rots from the head down.

Trump uses the language resonant of conspiracy theorists, cranks and defeated candidates when discussing the November 2020 election, not an incumbent living in the White House.

Trump said that things like winning trade deals and replacing Obamacare would be easy. But when the going got tough, Trump simply quit trying. That’s because governing is hard work that requires both skill and persistence. Solving problems also requires a leader who actually cares about something other than his own narcissistic ego.

Trump to Chris Wallace 07/19/20:

Quote:
"We're signing a health care plan within two weeks, a full and complete health care plan."

It has become clear that the GOP has little interest in a healthcare bill. When the Republicans held both the House and the Senate, they weren’t capable of crafting any legislation that their own party could agree with.

Trump thought he could save a few bucks to give to the rich if he dismantled the Office of Pandemic Response (under the NSC). THAT was a very incompetent thing to do.

The actions taken by Obama — and the Federal Reserve — in 2009 were pivotal to saving the U.S. economy and laying the groundwork for a great post recession economy - until Trump messed that up too. Donald Trump didn’t build a great economy, his failure to lead, destroyed one.

When President Donald Trump tweets about the suburbs being destroyed by “low-income housing,” what he’s really saying to white America is he’ll save them from being forced to ever come in contact with a Black person by slashing the Fair Housing Act.

It turns out that Trump’s (1) embrace of the confederacy, (2) tear gassing of protestors (3) defunding a pandemic response team and (4) rejecting medical experts all are not a winning strategy.

Trump is the quintessential Republican president and how Republicans think. It is now abundantly clear that Republican thinking dooms us all.
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