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#328789 - 09/15/20 05:05 AM Re: Bob Woodward's book details Trump's chaotic and dysfunctional White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Agreed: It wouldn't be nearly as bad if we had a leader who tried to get us all working together. Wouldn't be nearly so bad if all this crap wasn't happening at the same time we have lousy leadership. Taken together, though, it's pretty bad.

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#328790 - 09/15/20 11:52 AM Re: Bob Woodward's book details Trump's chaotic and dysfunctional White House [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
The clowns with guns marching in the streets have no intention of using them for anything more than penis extensions.

Let's get one thing clear, these private militias are straight-up illegal.

The militia term goes back to the founding of our country of well-regulated militia as the proper and natural defense of a free government. Lawful militias are only in service of the state or federal government and can only be called forth by the state or federal government.

These private citizen militias have never been lawful.

Private militias take it upon themselves to what they call ‘protecting property” and do so without any authority.  They come heavily armed, they don’t answer to any government entities for any other than themselves and these private militias are very unlawful. 

Self-proclaimed and self-professed militias showing-up to ostensibly to “protect property” with no authority, are only heightening tensions, and intimidating people. Private militias fancy themselves as “Patriots” and suggest what they are doing is in furtherance of the Constitution when it is really nothing of the sort.

Supreme Court in 1886 and 2008 ruled the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to own arms for one’s own self-protection and does not prevent states from prohibiting private paramilitary organizations.

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#328801 - 09/16/20 02:00 AM Re: Bob Woodward's book details Trump's chaotic and dysfunctional White House [Re: pdx rick]
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Let's get one thing clear, these private militias are straight-up illegal.


How so? Firearms aficionados have as much right as anyone to free assembly. They have a constitutional right to own firearms. Open carry is legal in many places.
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#328802 - 09/16/20 02:27 AM Re: Bob Woodward's book details Trump's chaotic and dysfunctional White House [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Grege
How so?

Private militias take it upon themselves to do what they call ‘protecting property” and do so without any authority. NO ONE asked them to do THAT! They come heavily armed, they don’t answer to any government entities for any other than themselves. Hmm
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#328804 - 09/16/20 03:27 AM Re: Bob Woodward's book details Trump's chaotic and dysfunctional White House [Re: pdx rick]
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They seem to get along well with the law enforcement officers they've come to support. Have the owners complained about them protecting property? What laws are they breaking that make this straight up illegal?

These are counter protesters. And other than that youngling they all seemed to have behaved themselves.
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#328805 - 09/16/20 03:43 AM Re: Bob Woodward's book details Trump's chaotic and dysfunctional White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Welp, the Wisconsin state constitution prohibits these rogue militias that are not answerable to the governor also prohibits falsely assuming the functions of public official. So...there is that. smile
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#328807 - 09/16/20 03:48 AM Re: Bob Woodward's book details Trump's chaotic and dysfunctional White House [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
These are counter protesters. And other than that youngling they all seemed to have behaved themselves.

Not in Portland, the rightwing Patrtiot Prayer group has injured or killed people with abandon. Hmm
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#328809 - 09/16/20 04:12 AM Re: Bob Woodward's book details Trump's chaotic and dysfunctional White House [Re: pdx rick]
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Rick...You said what they were doing was straight up illegal.

It isn't.
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#328810 - 09/16/20 04:16 AM Re: Bob Woodward's book details Trump's chaotic and dysfunctional White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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When you act as a government official when you're not a government official, that's illegal. It's called impersonation. Hmm
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#328811 - 09/16/20 04:18 AM Re: Bob Woodward's book details Trump's chaotic and dysfunctional White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Supreme Court in 1886 and 2008 ruled the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to own arms for one’s own self-protection and does not prevent states from prohibiting private paramilitary organizations.

Scalia wrote the 2008 opinion. smile
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