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#328311 - 08/26/20 10:11 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I Googled it and the actual elevation of Port Arthur is 7 feet.

But a 20 foot storm surge in the gulf is unlikely. I doubt if it could actually rise above 12 feet. Storm surge is where the tide rises but the wind never lets it go out...Then it rises again! And the wind gives it a boost!

Unsurvivable is the word the weather forecasters are using. Still, many are refusing to evacuate. Some of the same folks who refuse to wear masks I imagine...

Republican Convention is surely being canceled so the president can focus on the emergency situation in Texas right...LOL...nawp...it's mostly black people there so he don't give a f*ck.
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#328825 - 09/16/20 11:42 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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Just closed a contract to install a Trollworks Biochar+Energy boiler at a greenhouse run by a Navajo food sustainability and food security nonprofit called Covenant Pathways. They will heat their greenhouse for 4-seasons growing while avoiding fossil fuels, and make biochar for their operations, and draw down CO2 from the atmosphere. Pretty cool!

The funding is coming from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.
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#328827 - 09/16/20 11:54 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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Cool! Does all the biomass come from greenhouse waste? Or do they need to import some wood? Is crop waste dense enough for the biochar process?

Robert Wood Johnson Foundation are some of the good guys, but I always got a Beavis and Butthead-style giggle out of their name.

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#328833 - 09/17/20 02:05 AM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: pondering_it_all]
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It will be forest thinning and fuels reduction residuals. The kind of stuff that is largely fueling the forest fire pandemic.
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#328838 - 09/17/20 06:34 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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There are mechanical powered forest rakes to clean out the forest underbrush. A good part of the California and Oregon fires are under Federal (Trump) control and management. Strangely enough the Dems seem to ignore that one.

If they really want to control these forest fires they not only have to clean up the forests bit also do a bit of judicial logging. The problem there is that the logging companies seem to prefer clear cutting.

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#328839 - 09/17/20 07:33 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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President Donald (...) Trump's* idea about raking the forest floor is as stupid as it is wrong and foolish.

The forest litter; filters water, holds water, decomposes to soil, provides long term nutrients, helps cool the forest, provides a barrier to reduce and control fires, helps lock carbon into the soil from the air and so much more.

Want to start to control climate change, leave/grow forests, re-forest fallow land, let the natural cycle, which includes fire, return. The forests have developed over millions of years, who the hell thinks man can come up with a better system.

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#328840 - 09/17/20 07:51 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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A lot of Southern California's "National Forest" is not forest at all: It's chaparral. Mostly sage, chemise, scrub oak, manzanita, etc. You can't "rake under the trees", because there are no real trees and no "under". You can thin it selectively, and remove some of the more flammable species. But you have to do that carefully, and manually. Like men with gasoline-powered brushcutters. (Which are a fire hazard themselves!) Run a bulldozer over it and you will get terrible erosion when the rain comes. Then grasses and weeds will sprout giving you a more dangerous fire situation.

If you have a good source of cheap water, you could scrape the areas that are not too steep to convert it to irrigated grassland, and then run livestock grazers on it. But where do you get cheap water? Hard to come by in Southern California.

The best solution would be letting brush fires burn, which would give us a patchwork of recently burned and unburned areas. Effectively, letting nature create backfires ahead of time. Then brush fires would just burn a small unburned area. But we tend to put out fires that burn up to the suburbs, and people fight man-made controlled burns near their neighborhoods in court, even though those are actually their best protection.

I've actually walked through a National Forest in the mountains where we do have evergreens, with a device that dripped burning kerosene on the forest litter to do a controlled burn. This was part of a Fire Ecology course, and overseen by Forest Service employees. It did clear a lot of the dangerous fuel load, and did not harm any trees. Forest Service employees do this all the time, despite Trump's fantasies. But they are careful to only do it when weather conditions are cool, moist, and not windy.

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#328854 - 09/18/20 05:54 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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Actually its not. The problem is that I think he is referring to actual rakes and a lot of minions. Actually its done all the time on a large scale and there is machinery to aid in this.

The other problem is you are right about forest litter but it takes rain and when there is no rain,as in California, which has had a serious drought problem for several years (with some exception) that con't work. When you have a problem like that you really have to take care of the forests and thin the trees if you want to stop the fires.

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#328860 - 09/18/20 07:07 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: jgw]
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The problem is not the forests. The problem is the people.

Thin and rake the people out of the forests and the fires will harm no one.
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#328861 - 09/18/20 08:28 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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Maybe in Northern California, Oregon, and Washington. But "taking the people out of the forests" up there is pretty impractical because evergreen forests just sprout up on every square yard of land if you don't keep paying attention to it, and using it for something else.

In Southern California it's definitely a climate thing. Every late summer and early fall, the usual on-shore breeze at times turns around and you get a Santa Ana: 40-70 MPH very dry wind coming out of the deserts with 5% humidity and temperatures up to 116 F. Any spark event that would normally do nothing, starts a fire and those winds drive it toward the ocean. Nothing can stop it, but hitting a fire break like a previously burned area. And even then, burning embers are blown right over 12 lane freeways to start a fire on the other side. Fire fighters who get in front of the fire to stop it often died, so they don't get in front of it any more.

The exception is when it hits a suburb. There, fire fighters have paved roads, fire hydrants, defensible space around the houses (if homeowners have done their part), and fire resistant buildings. No quaint shake roofs, or wood siding, like you often see in rural cabins.

The presence or absence of people at the ignition point is unnecessary. Dry lighting, or downed power lines will do just fine. Sure, sometimes it's a burning cigarette tossed out of a car window, or a spark from a dragging chain or muffler. But any spark event will do, and there are many of them every day.

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