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#328940 - 09/21/20 12:45 PM Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died [Re: logtroll]
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#328941 - 09/21/20 01:03 PM Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died [Re: pdx rick]
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Could it be that each individual view of reality is different when it comes to politics and how they view what is happening? Certainly the ideology and perspectives are different as each individual has their own. How they or each of us view reality, especially in the political arena is very different based on each individual perspectives, experience, philosophy, party loyalty or not, left or right political views etc. and on and on.

Like in war, could reality when it comes to history be written by the victors?

Regardless, what I yearn for is a return to the era when both major parties respected each other, would work with each other, when as I stated each realized the goal for both parties was a secure, prosperous and free America. When they weren't out to destroy each other or when in my opinion party has triumph country as their actions have shown. At least from my perspective.

Republicans unwilling to work with Obama, Democrats unwilling to work with Trump. Over the last 15-20 years party line votes have become the norm, whereas prior to that they were very rare. Perhaps I'm too busy living in the past, but I hate the polarization, the divisiveness, the mega, ultra high partisanship of today's political era.

I won't place blame as some blame goes to both parties while other reasons may go to just one or the other. But neither party seems to want to change this modern era of politics we're in. My two cents anyway.
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#328944 - 09/21/20 04:16 PM Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died [Re: perotista]
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Republicans unwilling to work with Obama, Democrats unwilling to work with Trump.

Should I quote Sen McConnell?

As for Democrats, what I see is a Republican agenda which is so far to the right, there is no common ground with which to form a compromise. One may respond by saying Republicans would say the same about Democrat agenda, but to say that is to say Republicans do not believe in equality, or education for all, or a clean environment, or etx etc. or as a real example negotiations or lack thereof for a relief package for Americans in the midst of covid. It seems so strange to me Mr Trump would send Meadows to negotiate since for him much as Mr Trump, it is his way or the hiway i.e. the bully them to agree approach. Maybe Mr Trump has changed his mind ( or someone did) and has said he would raise the number.

No get me wrong on this. Of course there is the usual political fight for advantage as seen in Rep Pelosi's bare knuckle approach on relief, but there is plenty of room for compromise.

Now consider the Republican meme Democrats are radical left. Really? I have yet to hear anyone call for nationalization of anything, or turning over ownership of anything to the federal government. If health care for all is radical, then perhaps we should ask people about it. I think there is a reason socialists in this country don't endorse Democrats (as a whole).

I see one side as choosing recalcitrance and the other having no choice.
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#328945 - 09/21/20 06:29 PM Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I have always kinda admired the presidents that get stuff done. Those, as far as I can tell, are really good at picking people to fix the problems and then take the good will for a job well done. trump, on the other hand, decided that he was the one to do everything. He just never understood the system and how it works so he is trying, and failing, to do it all himself.

I think that the job itself is simply too much for anybody to even try to do themselves and when they do - they fail.

Its kinda odd and actually pretty simple. Vote for the one who is the best administrator and you, for the most part, agree with politically. NEVER vote for somebody claiming the capacity to do it all (which Trump as consistently done) as that one is an idiot and has no idea of the job.

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#328947 - 09/21/20 06:34 PM Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
I have always kinda admired the presidents that get stuff done. Those, as far as I can tell, are really good at picking people to fix the problems and then take the good will for a job well done. trump, on the other hand, decided that he was the one to do everything. He just never understood the system and how it works so he is trying, and failing, to do it all himself.

I think that the job itself is simply too much for anybody to even try to do themselves and when they do - they fail.

Its kinda odd and actually pretty simple. Vote for the one who is the best administrator and you, for the most part, agree with politically. NEVER vote for somebody claiming the capacity to do it all (which Trump as consistently done) as that one is an idiot and has no idea of the job.


Sounds good to me.
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#328948 - 09/21/20 07:36 PM Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died [Re: pdx rick]
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The Independent argues that Joe Biden should "seize the initiative from Trump by announcing his own shadow nominee so voters can choose," and that choice being Stacey Abrams. The Independent then lays out its reasoning of why Stacey Abrams should be selected SCOTUS under Joe Biden.

Great article. smile
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#328949 - 09/21/20 08:12 PM Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died [Re: rporter314]
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I think there is a reason socialists in this country don't endorse Democrats


There is also a reason why Democrats don't endorse socialists. We go against everything they(really) stand for.
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#328951 - 09/21/20 08:22 PM Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died [Re: Greger]
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Try to explain it to a Trump supporter
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#328954 - 09/22/20 12:16 AM Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died [Re: perotista]
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Originally Posted By: perotista
Could it be that each individual view of reality is different when it comes to politics and how they view what is happening? Certainly the ideology and perspectives are different as each individual has their own. How they or each of us view reality, especially in the political arena is very different based on each individual perspectives, experience, philosophy, party loyalty or not, left or right political views etc. and on and on.

Like in war, could reality when it comes to history be written by the victors?

Regardless, what I yearn for is a return to the era when both major parties respected each other, would work with each other, when as I stated each realized the goal for both parties was a secure, prosperous and free America. When they weren't out to destroy each other or when in my opinion party has triumph country as their actions have shown. At least from my perspective.

Republicans unwilling to work with Obama, Democrats unwilling to work with Trump. Over the last 15-20 years party line votes have become the norm, whereas prior to that they were very rare. Perhaps I'm too busy living in the past, but I hate the polarization, the divisiveness, the mega, ultra high partisanship of today's political era.

I won't place blame as some blame goes to both parties while other reasons may go to just one or the other. But neither party seems to want to change this modern era of politics we're in. My two cents anyway.


I have to give it to them, the people who said we shouldn't televise congressional hearings probably had a point, when it came to this stuff :-/

But I have yet to read The Big Sort, or really fully try to wrap my mind around the key drivers of the shift you describe. What would you list out?
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#328961 - 09/22/20 03:05 AM Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died [Re: perotista]
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I'll bet on this

what makes you believe Republicans would start acting right if the Democrats took the high road??? I suspect Sen McConnell would simply say ... what a bunch of suckers

O wait .... we already have an occupant of the WH who has said that
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