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#329064 - 09/25/20 05:55 PM Re: Do both sides really do it? [Re: logtroll]
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I am just wondering. Moving to the dems is fairly simple - you just do it. On the other hand moving to the current Republican party must have some kind of ceremony where the neophyte Republican swears fealty to the Republican Lord and Master Trump? Do they use a picture of him or just make mystical movements with their arms whilst kneeling and mumbling phrases of adoration?

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#329065 - 09/25/20 06:24 PM Re: Do both sides really do it? [Re: logtroll]
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There's wolfsbane and lots of incantations involved in joining Trump's Republican party. smile
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#329067 - 09/25/20 08:02 PM Re: Do both sides really do it? [Re: perotista]
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So both major parties continue to shrink while independents continue to grow.


That could be viewed only as a good thing. The parties have become far too powerful and divisive.

Unfortunately, you still have the exact same numbers of conservatives and liberals.

And two parties who know exactly how to push their buttons.
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#329068 - 09/25/20 08:14 PM Re: Do both sides really do it? [Re: logtroll]
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being pro-life gets them expelled


Not at all true. There are plenty of pro-life Democrats. They generally don't believe in controlling other's behavior, like pro-life Republicans, but would never opt for an abortion for themselves. Now if you said "people who believe nobody should be able to get an abortion" then you might be closer to the truth.

I'm sure there are also Republicans who believe in abortion on demand. Particularly the people who own the Party. I bet Trump has actually paid for several. He likes to have sex with a lot of women, and I don't see any Trump bastards claiming paternity. The GOP loves this as a wedge issue to get the Evangelicals on board, but I also bet most non-Evangelical Republicans see it as sometimes more convenient than maternity.

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#329079 - 09/26/20 12:30 AM Re: Do both sides really do it? [Re: Greger]
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It's possible to still be a racist and be a Democrat. But once you become a liberal, it's difficult to justify racism in any form.

When your ideology trends towards the progressive, then racism and bigotry in all forms fall by the wayside.

When you become a socialist is when you realize that it is all class warfare.

Do both sides do what?



....haven't ivy league colleges - progressive all - been sued for being racially biased against Asians?


As near as I can tell, the bigotry you find on the left is different than the bigotry you find on the right, but not non-existant.

G.K. Chesterton put it well when he said that Original Sin was the only Christian doctrine that could actually be proven. We are broken, all of us frown


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#329083 - 09/26/20 02:00 AM Re: Do both sides really do it? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
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being pro-life gets them expelled


Not at all true. There are plenty of pro-life Democrats. They generally don't believe in controlling other's behavior, like pro-life Republicans, but would never opt for an abortion for themselves. Now if you said "people who believe nobody should be able to get an abortion" then you might be closer to the truth.

I'm sure there are also Republicans who believe in abortion on demand. Particularly the people who own the Party. I bet Trump has actually paid for several. He likes to have sex with a lot of women, and I don't see any Trump bastards claiming paternity. The GOP loves this as a wedge issue to get the Evangelicals on board, but I also bet most non-Evangelical Republicans see it as sometimes more convenient than maternity.

That's hard for me to believe when I see three Democratic Congressmen who have been in the house for a while get primaried out this year only because they were pro-life. That says to me, pro-life folks are unwanted.

Maybe the Democrats would let them have a Bob Uecker seat within the democratic party way up in the upper, upper deck behind a steelbeam, but they're not allowed on the playing field it seems.
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#329086 - 09/26/20 02:38 AM Re: Do both sides really do it? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
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being pro-life gets them expelled


Not at all true. There are plenty of pro-life Democrats. They generally don't believe in controlling other's behavior...

THAT is the difference. Odd that supposed well-read Righties don't know this FACT.
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#329087 - 09/26/20 02:40 AM Re: Do both sides really do it? [Re: CPWILL]
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We are broken, all of us.

Speak for yourself. gobsmacked
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#329088 - 09/26/20 05:05 AM Re: Do both sides really do it? [Re: perotista]
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three Democratic Congressmen who have been in the house for a while get primaried out this year only because they were pro-life


That's something the voters did, that's very different from being "expelled from the Party". As far as I know, those three congressmen are still Party members. If you have a position the voters really don't like they CAN decide to vote for somebody else. I don't think anybody Democratic leaning would vote against a candidate just because they said "I would never get an abortion myself". There are loads of Catholics who are Democrats, such as the Kennedys. Abortion is a mortal sin for them. There is a huge difference between being pro-life and working to ban abortion for others.

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#329094 - 09/26/20 01:53 PM Re: Do both sides really do it? [Re: perotista]
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Originally Posted By: perotista
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
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being pro-life gets them expelled


Not at all true. There are plenty of pro-life Democrats. They generally don't believe in controlling other's behavior, like pro-life Republicans, but would never opt for an abortion for themselves. Now if you said "people who believe nobody should be able to get an abortion" then you might be closer to the truth.

I'm sure there are also Republicans who believe in abortion on demand. Particularly the people who own the Party. I bet Trump has actually paid for several. He likes to have sex with a lot of women, and I don't see any Trump bastards claiming paternity. The GOP loves this as a wedge issue to get the Evangelicals on board, but I also bet most non-Evangelical Republicans see it as sometimes more convenient than maternity.

That's hard for me to believe when I see three Democratic Congressmen who have been in the house for a while get primaried out this year only because they were pro-life. That says to me, pro-life folks are unwanted.

Maybe the Democrats would let them have a Bob Uecker seat within the democratic party way up in the upper, upper deck behind a steelbeam, but they're not allowed on the playing field it seems.


Yup. Neither Party's middle is America's middle on that issue, but, there is still room for dissent within the Republican party, I think, than the Democratic one (though that may be changing over time, too, as the movements enforce tribal unity).
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