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#329039 - 09/24/20 08:35 PM How much do police really cost?
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All the news is about the bad things police do. Sometimes they even say how much its costs. The girl's mother got 12 million when they killed her in her bed, for instance. Here is a link that may be interesting to some. I personally believe that if for nothing else than the costs of bad behavior our system of policing needs to be seriously overhauled. Camden, NJ might be a good place to start.

https://www.marketplace.org/2020/06/01/g...ents-judgments/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/millions-lawsu...ory?id=70999540


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#329071 - 09/25/20 08:31 PM Re: How much do police really cost? [Re: jgw]
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Police departments are essentially saying "our guys did nothing wrong", and then their local government has to pay out millions. The current system makes local government responsible for a policy that murders, injures, or deprives people of their civil rights. I wonder if the judgements would be smaller if they charged the officers with some actual crimes and sent them to prison, because then their wouldn't be such a policy.

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#329073 - 09/25/20 11:24 PM Re: How much do police really cost? [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
All the news is about the bad things police do. Sometimes they even say how much its costs. The girl's mother got 12 million when they killed her in her bed, for instance. Here is a link that may be interesting to some. I personally believe that if for nothing else than the costs of bad behavior our system of policing needs to be seriously overhauled. Camden, NJ might be a good place to start.

https://www.marketplace.org/2020/06/01/g...ents-judgments/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/millions-lawsu...ory?id=70999540

With all of the 'bad apple' cops making the news these days...you'd think the number of 'bad cops' is higher than the supposed 10%. It seems closer to 40% who are 'bad cops.' Hmm
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#329074 - 09/25/20 11:24 PM Re: How much do police really cost? [Re: jgw]
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Could you imagine if United Airlines had 'bad pilots' where 10% of their pilots flew into mountains? coffee Why are 'bad apples' allowed to remain as cops? mad
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#329109 - 09/26/20 05:42 PM Re: How much do police really cost? [Re: jgw]
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Because, I think, the taxpayers are simply not aware of just how much police depredations cost. Its not hidden and its on the news when payouts are made but, for some very strange reason, the taxpayers have simply not gotten the message. In the big cities it often costs over 100 million dollars a year to pay off the victims! One would think that should do it but, I guess not. (I seem to "guess not" a lot!)

On Reflection they may be more afraid of losing the police instead of fixing the police. The police can be fixed (Camden, NJ for instance) but I am not convinced that they understand that. Any fixes that work are not exactly covered a whole lot by the lazy, and violence addicted, media.

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#329112 - 09/26/20 06:49 PM Re: How much do police really cost? [Re: jgw]
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Any fixes that work are not exactly covered a whole lot by the lazy, and violence addicted, media.


Police killing people is news. People killing police is news.

The media is not addicted to violence...their readers are.
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#329117 - 09/26/20 07:31 PM Re: How much do police really cost? [Re: jgw]
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The big problem is the doctrine of Qualified Immunity: That police officers can't be held to the same standards as non-police when they commit crimes, both civil and criminal. So when they do, the taxpayers end up paying out huge settlements for it to go away. This is very like letting rich people off for murder if they pay off the right people. It is corrupt.

And it's not like the police don't know when they are committing crimes they would normally arrest other people for committing. That's what their training is for: To recognize certain behaviors as criminal. Instead we have two three classes of criminals. Police, who have to do outrageous things to be charged. White people, who are subject to the laws as written. And people of color who can be arrested (or killed) on any pretense.

The first step in fixing that is to get rid of Qualified Immunity. That could be done either on a local level or by a Supreme Court case with a 14th Amendment claim of Equal Protection Under the Law.
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#329135 - 09/27/20 04:51 PM Re: How much do police really cost? [Re: Greger]
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You are right if you are saying that the media tries to give the audience what they want.

I was trying to say that the media has some responsibility in all of this.

Seems to me that responsibility is becoming less and less important.

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#329136 - 09/27/20 05:00 PM Re: How much do police really cost? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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You are right and the qualified immunity is wrong. I think, however, that the police unions are responsible for the entire mess and it appears that many of the police fear their own unions!

I am not a big fan of unions and got rid of two of them which was not an easy thing to do in those days. My employees choose that I do that as they got tired of paying dues for little they couldn't accomplish on their own. On the other hand I am also not against unions. The problem seems to me to be the same problem that politics has - they all goto far!


A story. I used to have a friend who was the head of the local Teamster union. He was good at his job and a true believer in the union and what it stood for. He then moved up the ladder and moved to Seattle. About 6 months later he came back. I asked him what happened. He said; "Nothing, I just didn't like working over there. Everybody carried a gun and if one was not in the union they were a traitor. They were at war all the time." He said he just didn't care for that or the working environment. has since passed (it was years ago)

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#329219 - 09/30/20 07:21 AM Re: How much do police really cost? [Re: jgw]
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Oops! Turns out the Grand Jury looking into the Breonna Taylor shooting never was given the option of indicting the two officers who shot her, for anything. The only thing they could consider is the third officer who was charged for shooting into other apartments. That little tidbit was supposed to be secret. but a grand juror challenged the AG after he made a public statement about them being exonerated by the Grand Jury.

Looks like the Grand Jury was a scam.

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