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#329630 - 10/16/20 03:00 PM Re: Senate control during Covid [Re: perotista]
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a slow steady progress

Progressivism will win in the end (typing long term as in hundreds and thousands of years). It is a part of the Darwinian social evolution. But here is the thing.

I was talking to one of my Trump supporter acquaintances the other day and it became clear one of the major reasons he liked Trump was things will remain as they are or will return to the way it was in his past. I tried to argue people needed to be ready to adapt to changing conditions to survive and he said ... nope .... coal miners.

So there is an inherent "drag" on progress by people who are unwilling to adapt to a new world. Until these folks are educated to their possibilities and trained to take on new jobs, we will forever have a large segment of the population who are aggrieved by forces beyond their control or comprehension.

I have forever been a long term optimist (think oriental but on steroids) but regret the near term failures of progressivism. The path to whatever the "goal" is will always be a roller coaster of advancements.
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#329633 - 10/16/20 05:44 PM Re: Senate control during Covid [Re: pdx rick]
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2010 happened because the majority of the people weren't ready to have their healthcare system turned upside down. It took them, most of them out of their comfort zone turning them against Obama and the Democrats. Independents had voted for Democratic congressional candidates in 2008 by a 52-45 margin. In 2010, not willing to have their present healthcare system overturned, they reversed themselves to vote for the Republican congressional candidates by a 56-37 margin.

That going from a plus 7 in 2008 to a minus 19 among independent voters in 2010. A huge swing of 26 points. People laugh at me when I talk comfort zone, there may be another word or phrase to describe it better, but I haven't thought of it. Republicans and Democrats voted in the same percentage for their congressional candidates in 2010 as they did in 2008. Independents caused the 63 seat loss.

It was being very angry at the Democrats for pushing through the ACA against the majority of Americans wishes and wants, not any thing Boehner or the Republicans promised. The Democrats refused to listen to America as a whole which made independents very angry. Anger is a very strong motivational force when it comes to voting. Just like hate this year will deliver for the Democrats.

Moral of the story, don't make independents angry, they'll turn on a dime against you.
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#329634 - 10/16/20 05:48 PM Re: Senate control during Covid [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
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a slow steady progress

Progressivism will win in the end (typing long term as in hundreds and thousands of years). It is a part of the Darwinian social evolution. But here is the thing.

I was talking to one of my Trump supporter acquaintances the other day and it became clear one of the major reasons he liked Trump was things will remain as they are or will return to the way it was in his past. I tried to argue people needed to be ready to adapt to changing conditions to survive and he said ... nope .... coal miners.

So there is an inherent "drag" on progress by people who are unwilling to adapt to a new world. Until these folks are educated to their possibilities and trained to take on new jobs, we will forever have a large segment of the population who are aggrieved by forces beyond their control or comprehension.

I have forever been a long term optimist (think oriental but on steroids) but regret the near term failures of progressivism. The path to whatever the "goal" is will always be a roller coaster of advancements.


Very well stated. I am one who doesn't believe in the roller coaster ride. I think taking it slow and steady is the better way. You can push folks just so far, then they rebel.
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#329635 - 10/16/20 08:02 PM Re: Senate control during Covid [Re: perotista]
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EXCEPT! When something is simply not working for the majority of citizens. I think that our healthcare is in that column. It costs too much, other have better results and they are not going to be handle the results of Covid-19. Seems to me that means that there are better ways and we couldn't be the ones sucking hind tit on this one.

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#329639 - 10/16/20 10:20 PM Re: Senate control during Covid [Re: perotista]
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You can push folks just so far, then they rebel.

Yeah...the right has been pushed too far and is now rebelling...forming armed militias to push POCs and non-Christians out of America.

Socialists, labor unionists, Jews, as Niemöller said.

Threaten them with better healthcare, higher wages and better education and they will violently revolt.
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#329640 - 10/16/20 11:35 PM Re: Senate control during Covid [Re: pdx rick]
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Depends on how it's done Greger. Didn't we have a rebellion against the Democrats and Obama in 2010? The loss of 63 house seats I'd say was quite a rebellion.
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#329641 - 10/17/20 03:30 AM Re: Senate control during Covid [Re: pdx rick]
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Lindsey Graham, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, just committed a federal felony today. On video network feed, he just asked for a contribution to his campaign. Soliciting a contribution in the halls of congress is a felony. I expect he won't be indicted until January, but there is ample evidence for an indictment and a conviction. Three years in prison is the maximum sentence.

Of course Trump is also guilty of this many times over. It also applies to the White House.

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#329646 - 10/17/20 07:23 PM Re: Senate control during Covid [Re: pondering_it_all]
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If the Dems take it I would expect them to do something about the Republican penchant to just ignore the law. This thing isn't the first and won't be the last until they are educated?

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#329647 - 10/17/20 09:05 PM Re: Senate control during Covid [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I watched the vid. He said it in a passing remark as an aside without any seriousness. It looked as if he thought his lack of campaign contributions was some kind of joke. (Because he is a joke).

A slap across the wrists and some harsh language .... don't even make signs like you are electioneering.

However if it had been a Democrat, Republicans could still be heard howling for blood.


Far more serious is Putin's useful idiot, Guiliani. I can see him being charged with some kind of criminal act. If they do charge him before Mr Trump leaves office, he will get a universal pardon/get out of jail free card for life.


Edited by rporter314 (10/17/20 09:08 PM)
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