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#330363 - 11/21/20 10:58 PM Re: A Lot Went Wrong for Democrats on Election Night [Re: CPWILL]
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smile Cute, but we have their writings that explain their thinking on the question at length. What I pointed out is about as controversial as "Water is Wet".

Cute, as well. But you missed my point.

BTW, not all water is "wet". Language is nothing, if not subject to interpretation.
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#330367 - 11/22/20 03:06 AM Re: A Lot Went Wrong for Democrats on Election Night [Re: CPWILL]
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That's exactly my point, Rick, the conservative mind slips right over "the People" and goes right to "the Nation" as if it is some separate entity that lives only in the hearts of true American patriots.


On the contrary - collectivism is, in this country at least, a far more common leftist failing. It wasn't American conservatives who were the proponents of Organic State Theory, or its variations it was Progressives. wink

Writes the Rightinwger that enjoys the benefits of collectivism:
  • Police
  • Fire
  • Federal Highway System
  • US Military
  • US Post Office
  • Social Secuity
  • Medicare
  • VA Benefits
...just to name a few collective benefits. Such a stellar thinker you are! coffee
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#330368 - 11/22/20 03:09 AM Re: A Lot Went Wrong for Democrats on Election Night [Re: CPWILL]
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...we have their writings that explain their thinking on the question at length. What I pointed out is about as controversial as "Water is Wet".

Then you have no problem sharing those links. I've found that Rightwinges talk a big game, and cite examples, and when their examples are delved into, the examples don't state what the Right-winger claims. Weird! smile
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#330369 - 11/22/20 03:13 AM Re: A Lot Went Wrong for Democrats on Election Night [Re: logtroll]
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BTW, not all water is "wet"

Great thing about water, it can exist as a liquid, solid (ice) or vapor (steam). smile
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#330372 - 11/22/20 07:24 AM Re: A Lot Went Wrong for Democrats on Election Night [Re: Greger]
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As an aside, I don't understand what the purpose of a Rightwinger is. The average American disagrees with Republican orthodoxy on every major issue: healthcare, climate change, gun violence, immigration, taxes, Covid response. 

For four years, Trump has made the Republican playbook an open-book, and decent Americans have had a good peek inside to see how Republican shenanigans work.

Republicans hardly ever win the popular vote in the Presidency. (See above). Out of the last five elections, the Rightwing president only won the popular vote once. Is average Rightwinger's sole purpose in life to troll online forums? That seems to be the case these days.

Hmm
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#330378 - 11/22/20 03:51 PM Re: A Lot Went Wrong for Democrats on Election Night [Re: pdx rick]
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As an aside, I don't understand what the purpose of a Rightwinger is. The average American disagrees with Republican orthodoxy on every major issue: healthcare, climate change, gun violence, immigration, taxes, Covid response. 


Hmm


You can ask that question of the Democratic Party as well. The current reality is for either party to vilify the other, projecting onto them that they are guilty of themselves. They both serve the same interest. It’s just a matter of style.

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#330379 - 11/22/20 03:52 PM Re: A Lot Went Wrong for Democrats on Election Night [Re: chunkstyle]
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Surely, there must be a way to fix this?
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#330381 - 11/22/20 05:43 PM Re: A Lot Went Wrong for Democrats on Election Night [Re: Greger]
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Economic, environmental collapse? Nuke getting thrown?

Those are the current options being tabled.

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#330382 - 11/22/20 05:53 PM Re: A Lot Went Wrong for Democrats on Election Night [Re: Greger]
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A very good summary, IMO, of the current 'party brand above policies' dilemma that we have:

"The evidence suggests that the party that commands a built-in and growing demographic majority and that won the popular vote in seven out of the last eight presidential elections simply does not want to press its advantage. Why not? I propose that key members of the Democratic establishment are more concerned with disciplining and containing the party’s left flank than with maximizing their power as such and view the idiosyncrasies of the federal system—and the advantages they give the Republicans—as potent tools for achieving those ends."

The Parties Decide

MMT Economist Steven Keen often says it we will get change in understanding of fraudulent neoliberal economic theory one economics professor at a time.

I wonder if the current 'hostage politics' will die with one boomer, and to some extent genX's, death at a time. The flexibility of thinking about politics seems to be locked into these demographics. When they are no longer the dominant voting cohort then, perhaps. I'm just doubtful there's enough time.

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#330383 - 11/22/20 05:55 PM Re: A Lot Went Wrong for Democrats on Election Night [Re: chunkstyle]
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As an aside, I don't understand what the purpose of a Rightwinger is. The average American disagrees with Republican orthodoxy on every major issue: healthcare, climate change, gun violence, immigration, taxes, Covid response. 


Hmm
You can ask that question of the Democratic Party as well. The current reality is for either party to vilify the other, projecting onto them that they are guilty of themselves. They both serve the same interest. It’s just a matter of style.

Except that the majority of Americans want to enact the Dems policy of the above list by approval polls and by virtue of putting Dems into office.

I can't get behind your "both sides do it" hyperbole. Sorry chunk. smile
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