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#328866 - 09/18/20 09:25 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: pondering_it_all]
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it's definitely a climate thing


Well, yeah...but since we're doing nothing to stop climate change we'll need to do what our ancestors did when the land became uninhabitable.

Vacate it for a few tens of thousands of years until the climate changes again.
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#328889 - 09/19/20 05:11 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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Interesting. The real problem is population - worldwide. Too many people. Not enough water, not enough food, not enough common sense. We just keep breeding more and more. Wars help but not really a lot.

The only real solution is probably space but who really knows. I live in a town that doesn't just border the Olympic national park but has some of the park in its city limits. That also means that we have a LOT of trees edging into the city limits as well. I have often wondered what is going to happen when it catches fire. That hasn't happened in the long time and, when it did, it didn't spread far as there is little wind in our direction as we are at the base of the Olympic Mountains as well which protects us. Still, its a worry but we also sit on top of the Cascadia Subduction Zone as well and when that goes off ...........

Here is a link to how safe we are: http://www.clallam.net/tsunami/documents/FactSheet_PortAngeles.pdf

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#328891 - 09/19/20 05:24 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: jgw]
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Interesting. The real problem is population - worldwide. Too many people. Not enough water, not enough food, not enough common sense.


The problem of too many people will probably resolve itself over the next century or so.
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#328894 - 09/19/20 06:26 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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It could actually be pretty fast. For example if the Gulf Stream current stops from all the ice melt. Or when the methane all boils out of the artic tundra. Then areas near the equator near sea level could simply be uninhabitable for most mammals. They would have to move North or South, or change elevation. There is a lot of pretty unoccupied land in Northern Siberia, Canada, and Southern South America. Right now, those places are too cold for almost everybody. After we warm up a lot, the Inuit will have to learn agriculture. The Mayans can teach them to grow corn and chile peppers.

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#328901 - 09/19/20 10:02 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Climate refugees will be met with the same resistance as refugees of all sorts always are. Dust Bowl wasn't that far back. Okies were not exactly welcomed into California despite their agricultural skills.

People like to pretend that they are somehow immune to the same forces that push other species to the brink of extinction.
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#328923 - 09/20/20 04:58 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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There is world history on too many people. It causes a lot of misery AND a lot of war. Its just ramping up now, its gonna get a LOT worse before it shakes out and global warming is further throwing sand into the mix. The next years are going to get VERY interesting and a lot scaryer. We are, right now, are just seeing the results on our southern border as more and more crops are failing in central America and that one will continue to grow. Same with Africa and Europe. We now have over population, global warming, crop failures, water shortages, crazies in politics, and massive greed and that list is almost endless and there isn't a lot going on to offset it. I am talking worldwide!

I think there is a quote that goes something like; "I have seen the future and its not pretty"

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#328927 - 09/20/20 05:39 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: jgw]
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Despite the dire direction the future might take, I remain optimistic.

Not so much in the near term that any of us might live to see...but in the long run, I think it's gonna be okay.

Between now and then we might see deaths numbering in the billions.
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#328929 - 09/20/20 09:04 PM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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On the other hand, I've been watching some hippies building a farm in the mountains of Panama on YouTube and it looks pretty damned nice. Rains almost every day briefly. Lots of greenery. Cows grazing next door. No neighbors near them. Small town they can drive down to, where they have started a coffee bean roasting company. Hopefully, no bad guys figure out exactly where they are and pay them a visit.

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#330455 - 11/26/20 12:35 AM Re: Global warming predictions [Re: logtroll]
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Been having some rather exciting conversations with some of the folks who are setting up a Climate Change Research and Development Park in collaboration with Los Alamos National Labs. The focus of the park will be on climate change technologies and solutions, and my company is in the spotlight to participate in anchoring it. The sparkplug for the project is calling it "The New Manhattan Project".

In case you didn't make the connection, the Manhattan Project, to create the atomic bomb to win WW2, is what caused Los Alamos to come into existence.
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