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#331312 - 01/09/21 11:23 PM Re: Post-Election Mischief [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Read the 14th Amendment, Section 3: He's already disqualified himself from running again. His actions have done it. It requires nothing from Congress or any court.

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#331428 - 01/13/21 11:21 AM Re: Post-Election Mischief [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I havent seen all the facts but I don't think it matters that much, as we should be getting a pretty good view of what happened. I think I said it before .... Mr Trump is capable of anything, and one of the things for which he would do is .... BURN DOWN THE HOUSE

and if you think it's over ... he will be a martyr for THE BASE ... the Trump Base. These 50M people will be around a while. Imagine right wing extremism getting more virulent. 50 State Houses on the list .... only the beginning
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#331462 - 01/14/21 06:09 PM Re: Post-Election Mischief [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Remember when I asked the question, what would happen if the military supported Mr Trump? Well Jan 6 somewhat answered that question. There were members of GOP Congressional staff who aided and abetted the insurrection. There were members of police and fire departments supporting the insurrection. There were ex-military supporting the insurrection.

Gen Milley and JC's had to issue a memo alerting the military they were not to participate in any illegal or seditious activities, especially related to Trump's insurrection. Why would they feel the necessity of doing that unless there was an element of the military which supported the insurrection.

I feel compelled and justified in speculating there was a real possibility of Trump sympathizers in law enforcement and the military who if they had participated would have easily overrun the capitol and controlled it. What then???

When you think back to this day, you will wonder just how close we were to a real disruption in control of the government, if not a successful coup.

Could it happen in America? Damn right it could
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#331468 - 01/14/21 07:37 PM Re: Post-Election Mischief [Re: pondering_it_all]
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The problem with that one is that you gotta prove it and I am not sure that will happen. Trump is, right now, trying to prove he didn't do that with Trump Sweetness and Light.

Its strange. My wife tells me that she saw a video of the Trump family watching the riot occur wherein they were all pretty happy with what was happening. I have not seen it as it seems to have gone away. The 14th would stand a chance if there actually was a video like that.

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#331474 - 01/14/21 10:45 PM Re: Post-Election Mischief [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The 14th Amendment is pretty all-inclusive. It says you are guilty even if you just "give aid or comfort" to the actual insurrectionists. Trump tweeted out that he loved them and they were special people, after the insurrection. That sure sounds like "aid and comfort" to me. Even more so if he pardons any of them.

Lots of Democratic pols are now talking about the 14th Amendment. I think if anything gets to federal court, the judges will decide the 14th applies.

As for proof in court, it may be difficult to prove Trump incited it, but a slam-dunk to prove he failed in his duty to end it. He had a legal obligation to protect Congress, and he just watched it on TV and blocked attempts to help them. As a result, people died. Once again: "Aid or comfort".

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#331506 - 01/16/21 05:30 PM Re: Post-Election Mischief [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Here;s a speculative question.

We know a number of law enforcement/military people were engaged in the insurrection. We know far right militias have for years been trying to recruit military people into their ranks. Now suppose we have just 10% of the 25k NG in Washington who are members and are willing to overthrow the government are employed on the 20th to open the barricades to protesters/rioters/insurrectionists. These could be the real martyrs. Laying down their lives to incite a national insurrection. No false flag .... that's real blood in the streets. Of 50M people, how many would be willing to join the effort? Remember we have currently serving elected Congresspeople who aided and abetted the Capitol Insurrection of 2021.

This is real .... and it doesn't go away.
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#331522 - 01/16/21 07:56 PM Re: Post-Election Mischief [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Just saw a blurb ... some 23 police officers are being investigated by the FBI as possibly involved with the insurrection. Turns out my guess of 10% is off a magnitude as the USCO is about 2300 strong.

So to rephrase your honors ... is 250 soldiers enough to cause chaos and induce a response of extreme prejudice? Martyrs all to the bankrupt confidence game played by Mr Trump.
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#331526 - 01/16/21 08:51 PM Re: Post-Election Mischief [Re: NW Ponderer]
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So 1% of any force guarding buildings or the inauguration is corrupt. But most important, that 1% is unlikely to be concentrated at any one place. For each one who might help insurrectionists or assassins, there are 99 others there to stop them. And now it's widely known that they are there, so the 99 will not fail to act.

I think the extremists have ALWAYS claimed to have much larger numbers than they do. Sure, they may have 39% of the people generally approving off President Trump, but how many of those are willing to come to Washington DC at his behest? How many of the crowd outside the Capital were devoted (or stupid) enough to break in?

I think their ranks are going to fit in the federal prison system, and as more of them get arrested, their ranks will get a lot thinner fast.

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#331569 - 01/18/21 03:37 AM Re: Post-Election Mischief [Re: pondering_it_all]
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breaking news!!!!

Defense official fears attack from within military guarding inauguration.

Got some serious people having the same fears as I do.

I know ... can't happen here in America. Mr Trump made it happen.
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#331570 - 01/18/21 05:08 AM Re: Post-Election Mischief [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
Remember when I asked the question, what would happen if the military supported Mr Trump? Well Jan 6 somewhat answered that question. There were members of GOP Congressional staff who aided and abetted the insurrection. There were members of police and fire departments supporting the insurrection. There were ex-military supporting the insurrection.

...also current national guard and military was at the insurrection. gobsmacked

FBI Vetting Guard Troops in DC Amid Fears of Insider Attack During Inauguration

Hmm
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