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#331574 - 01/18/21 01:30 PM Re: An alternate to Impeachment [Re: jgw]
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Okay, I wanted to know who would determine if the 14th applied, I'll buy the AG and the DOJ. Probably in the courts also. Certainly not you or I.

As for Pardons, the Constitution is quite explicit. It gives that power to the president and president only. The courts have never overturned or even tried to reverse a presidential pardon. Most Constitutional scholars say the SCOTUS can't as that power to grant or rescind doesn't rest with the judicial. Although you have a few that says it might since rescinding or overturning a presidential pardon is moot in the Constitution. The framers never got into what if's in writing the Constitution which is another reason that a president pardoning himself wasn't address.

So there is no 100% answer on the courts intervening and overturning a presidential pardon, that is until the SCOTUS either rules on it or tries it.
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#331575 - 01/18/21 04:30 PM Re: An alternate to Impeachment [Re: perotista]
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Quote:
se·di·tion

noun
conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.


President Trump is guilty of sedition.

Quote:
in·sur·rec·tion

noun
a violent uprising against an authority or government.


The rioters were guilty of insurrection.

They will all most likely be pardoned.
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#331577 - 01/18/21 05:40 PM Re: An alternate to Impeachment [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
se·di·tion

noun
conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.


President Trump is guilty of sedition.

Quote:
in·sur·rec·tion

noun
a violent uprising against an authority or government.


The rioters were guilty of insurrection.

They will all most likely be pardoned.

Rightwingers, like the one you're trying to convince, Greger, have an odd relationship with reality when reality doesn't support their extremist, radicalized, views. Hmm
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#331578 - 01/18/21 06:05 PM Re: An alternate to Impeachment [Re: jgw]
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In-Sir-Erection

noun
an invasional abomination in white evangelical culture,
popular with Coastal Amerkins

still researching Seat-ishson

Not like there is anything worng with that!

Crypto-ATT


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#331579 - 01/18/21 07:08 PM Re: An alternate to Impeachment [Re: perotista]
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Sorry - I don't say it, the law says it (a couple of times)

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#331584 - 01/18/21 09:02 PM Re: An alternate to Impeachment [Re: jgw]
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Now this is interesting.

Rare sedition charge gains interest after Capitol attack

A Civil War-era sedition law being dusted off for potential use in the mob attack on the U.S. Capitol was last successfully deployed a quarter-century ago in the prosecution of Islamic militants who plotted to bomb New York City landmarks.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rare-sedition-charge-gains-interest-060505331.html

The bottom line, formal charges must be brought, then these folks found guilty by a judge and jury. Just saying so doesn't cut it.
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#331586 - 01/18/21 10:59 PM Re: An alternate to Impeachment [Re: Greger]
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The rioters were guilty of insurrection.

They will all most likely be pardoned.


I doubt it: Trump can't just grant a blanket pardon to "all the insurrectionists". He has to grant pardons to each by name. And he does not know their names!

If somebody gave him a list of their names, and he did not turn that over to the FBI, he would be guilty of something like harboring fugitives. Even if he pardoned them immediately, he could still be charged. He would have to pardon them before he gained any information about them to be innocent, but that's not possible.

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#331587 - 01/18/21 11:27 PM Re: An alternate to Impeachment [Re: perotista]
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Just saying so doesn't cut it.


I never said he'd ever be convicted or punished for it. Or even charged with it. But he is most certainly guilty of it.

We'll find out tomorrow who all gets pardoned. I expect everyone who has been arrested will be pardoned...but perhaps not. Will the extremists turn against Trump? It doesn't take much before they call for you to be hanged or shot.
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#331590 - 01/19/21 12:11 AM Re: An alternate to Impeachment [Re: jgw]
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14th Amendment explained:

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#331591 - 01/19/21 12:12 AM Re: An alternate to Impeachment [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
...Trump can't just grant a blanket pardon to "all the insurrectionists". He has to grant pardons to each by name....

...and he has to detail exactly what they did and why he is giving them a pardon.

Trump is too much of a fat, lazy slob to do all of THAT work. smile
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