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#332275 - 02/14/21 07:02 PM Re: American Healthcare [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Its interesting. I have a granddaughter that is trying to be a vet. She has wanted to be one for, literally, years. I think she has made it to some kind of technical job so far. In her quest she seems to have also gathered something like 5 degrees in this and that. Her husband was killed in the army, by the army (as was his entire unit given the title of "bad luck outfit)) She also has two male children.

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#332279 - 02/14/21 08:33 PM Re: American Healthcare [Re: jgw]
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My Niece got her degree at Penn. It may be harder to get into Vet school than Med Stool!
And, probably more expensive than Med School.
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For those entering veterinary school in the US in the fall of 2018, the estimated total cost of attendance (tuition+fees+ average living expenses), for four years ranges from $148,807 to $407,983. Your cost will depend on your state of residency or choice to pursue a private veterinary school education.


Adding insult to injury, vets are not payed anything close to physicians, even very bad ones! So it would take even longer to dig out of school debt.

While on the subject, you previously referenced the USMLE exam for getting Med License. As I mentioned before, passing this exam is a VERY low hurdle, and most Medical Educators, who are actually MDs think that the USMLE has had a deleterious effect on medical education.
The reason that it is so pernicious is that it leads weaker schools and students to: Teach to the USMLE as a primary goal, rather than get a good medical education, and incidentally pass the USMLE, which, have I mentioned is a low hurdle!
This has generated a whole market of books, courses, flash card with bullet points. Students may use these to brush up for the exam, but they tend to emphasize correlation rather than causation.
For a exaggerated example, they may know that diabetes and coronary disease are related, but may think coronary disease causes diabetes.
I will paste in a link to USMLE study guides. Who needs Med School if you buy these and pass the exam?

USMLE INDUSTRY Scroll down to see the extent of the problem!

University students have already played into this market while trying to get INTO medical school by getting high scores on another barrier to education, the dreaded MCAT medical college admission test, similar to the LCAT for Law Stool!! Damn bad bad CATS!
offtopicThere actually are no bad cats, just bad cat staff!!

MCAT BAD CAT

And, the MCAT a much larger market for students wanting to get INTO med School, compared to the USMLE for students wanting to get OUT of med school!


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#332280 - 02/14/21 09:09 PM Re: American Healthcare [Re: TatumAH]
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I just looked up some requirements for admission to Vet School.
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Standardized tests? Again? And you thought that was over when you finished high school! The Graduate Record Examination (GRE) is required by most veterinary schools, and some also require the Biology GRE. The Medical College Admission Test (MCAT) is also accepted by some schools in place of the GRE. Find out where you can take the exam and what preparation you need to succeed. For a listing of each accredited veterinary school's requirements, go to the AAVMC site at www.aavmc.org. More information can be found at http://www.ets.org/gre/.


Ha, grin Appropriate that some Vet schools accept the MCAT


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#332297 - 02/14/21 11:58 PM Re: American Healthcare [Re: jgw]
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My wife had the great advantage of working in the County Vet's department with an esteemed graduate of UC Davis vet school who was rather a mentor to her. He actually invited her to apply after working with her for a while. She also volunteered at a local vet practice after working in research with animals. She did have to take a few classes she had poor grades for in college. She aced them. Her undergraduate years were difficult, since she had to work and send money home to take care of her siblings.

My work in research with the Chief of Surgery at the local UC medical center (and Prof. at UCSD School of Medicine) got me his invitation to apply to the medical school.

These kind of relationships help immensely in getting into the professional schools, even state-owned professional schools. They have a long list of 4.0 GPA people applying. They look beyond GPA and entry exam scores. My advice is, if you want to get in such a school find a doctor or vet actively associated with the school and volunteer to work with him or her. This might take a few years, but it's better than going to Grenada or Mexico.

But you should be realistic: Maybe you are not equipped for either of these programs. No shame in RN, PA, or AHT careers.

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#332305 - 02/15/21 04:23 AM Re: American Healthcare [Re: pondering_it_all]
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My oldest daughter wanted to be an equine vet, got a masters in biology and a handful of lesser diplomas. But vet school eluded her. She became a horse masseuse/chiropractor. Learned acupuncture and applied it to horses. So in the end she got to do what she most wanted to do without going to vet school. She's now got a degree in Chinese herbal medicine and I have no idea what she's going to do with that...
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#332337 - 02/15/21 07:21 PM Re: American Healthcare [Re: pondering_it_all]
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My granddaughter has some things that give her support. She has her husband's GI bill for starters. The problem is that she is also raising two kids whilst going to school. She seems to be progressing as well. Sometimes I think she likes going to school more than reaching any goal, however. She is also pretty smart.

She also gets jobs with practicing vets as this and that which, I think, also helps. Her problem is that she doesn't stick with it. Oh well, its her life and she seems to be coping so I am keeping my mouth shut.

I noticed that I said "granddaughter" actually she is a great grandaughter!"


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#332341 - 02/15/21 09:19 PM Re: American Healthcare [Re: jgw]
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I came across this and it seems to pretty much explain stuff:
https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2020/07/how-does-the-us-healthcare-system-compare-to-other-countries

My own thought is that the Democrats should, under Biden, start to sell a better and less expensive system of healthcare with the emphasis on cost rather than the change necessary to put our healthcare on a much better footing based on how the rest of the industrialized world deals with it.

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#332352 - 02/16/21 03:14 AM Re: American Healthcare [Re: jgw]
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Cost of Dementia Care

Cost of dementia 2030

The cost of dementia care will double from 2020 to 2030 to $2,000,000,000/year!
We prolong "life" of those who dont know who or where they are, as long as someone is making money off of that "care". Some insensitive physicians refer to these facilities as vegetable bins, and the patients are classified as having positive fly signs, meaning that they have their mouths open with flies wandering in and out.

My modest proposal, that I have already activated for myself, is a dead-man switch. I have contracted with a cheap hitman, it should be an easy job, to come and kill me by "accident" if I dont send in my life prolongation postcard every year on my birthday. I may want to add a late card, phone confirmation clause, as I have never been very good at timely paperwork, or a thirty day late waiting period.

But seriously, if there are objections from, lets say, White evangelicals, who love the brain dead, we should allow their churches to fully sponsor care for the demented of color. Who could object to that?

We elderly have met the problem, and it's us, but we may not remember it!
Swiftly yours
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#332353 - 02/16/21 03:41 AM Re: American Healthcare [Re: jgw]
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I'm still doing 6 star sudoku puzzles, so I think my body will give out before my mind. Dementia doesn't seem to run in my family.

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