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#61942 - 05/03/08 07:12 PM Minimum wage
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I am copying a post of RealityBytes from another forum here to give us a clean slate for the discussion of the minimum wage:
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Perhaps this should have its own thread "How should a minimum wage be determined?"

Do you agree that although it should keep someone fed, clothed and sheltered? (I do.) If so, to what extent?

Should a minimum wage allow for -

Food:
Any dining out (other than fast food)?
Any amount for fast food restaurants?
Cigarettes, alcohol?

Clothing:
New clothes, or used?

Shelter:
It's pretty easy to determine how much for shelter is appropriate for a given area, but what about utilities and transportation -
Cable TV?
TV?
Internet?
Computer?
Phone?
Cell phone?
Car expenses?

Think about it, and think about what assumptions are built-in to what some people think everyone is "entitled" to, or at least what is in the self-interest of a society to make sure each member has support at what level.
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#61944 - 05/03/08 07:31 PM Re: Minimum wage [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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To determine what the minimum wage should be, my answers to your list are:

Food:
Any dining out (other than fast food)? No
Any amount for fast food restaurants? Yes because many workers have to eat that stuff
Cigarettes, alcohol? No

Clothing:
New clothes, or used? New but based on reduced cost outlets

Shelter:
It's pretty easy to determine how much for shelter is appropriate for a given area, but what about utilities and transportation -
Cable TV? No
TV? Yes
Internet? Yes
Computer? Yes
Phone? Yes
Cell phone? No unless needed for work etc
Car expenses? Reasonable transportation, public if available

I could be convinced otherwise on several
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#61958 - 05/04/08 02:58 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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Interesting.

Health care didn't make the list, but a tv, computer and internet did.

Also, you didn't say whether this was for a single person or a family of four. Nor did it say whether it was their own apartment, or a rooming house.

I think a good minimum wage might be whatever Senator's pay their campaign volunteers.
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#61960 - 05/04/08 03:36 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: Jeffers]
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Yes-EVERYONE "dreams" of "growing up" and "subsisting".

[The "Under-class" is no longer "maintenance-free".]
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#61970 - 05/04/08 03:55 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: mama]
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As I stated on another thread, I make $53K a year and I am single. (A company car + fuel) is paid for by my company. After paying for my portion of health insurance, my take home is $2300.00 per month.

That $2300.00 goes for:

  • $1125.00 Rent (1 bdrm / 1 ba )
  • 65.00 Water, garbage (Yes, as a renter I pay those fees on top of my monthly rent)
  • 65.95 Cable w/ Internet access
  • 39.99 Cell phone
  • 29.95 Land line (required to have to "buzz" people in to visit me)
  • 72.00 Pacific, Gas and Electic
  • 328.00 Student Loan Re-payment
  • 300.00 Savings Accounts ($100.00 each to vacation account, spending account, emergency account)
  • 55.00 Dry Cleaning
  • 19.00 Gym membership
  • 200.00 Food (Includes groceries and dining out, cleaning supplies and toiletries)


I have no credit card debt.

...and that's my monthly expenditures for my salary of $53K a year.

sidebar:
In 2007, I paid $8000.00 in Federal income tax, and $2000.00 in State income tax - so basically, I'm only making $43K a year.
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#61974 - 05/04/08 04:18 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: pdx rick]
mama Offline
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Hi Rick!

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$1125.00 Rent (1 bdrm / 1 ba )


\:o

Our daughter-n-son-in-law just rented a "three bed/2 bath" HOUSE with a "fenced-in-yard" for $825.

"est.utilities"-$175

[and I "thought" THAT was "ridiculous"!]
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#61975 - 05/04/08 04:22 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: mama]
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1 bd 1 ba, West Hollywood, avg $2,100; Central LA, $1,500
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#61978 - 05/04/08 06:12 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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Remember, I live in the eBay - not San Francisco.

Here's a sample renters guide from Craigs List:

West Hollywood

Castro

Looks like WeHo and Castro are pretty well even.
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#61979 - 05/04/08 06:12 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: Jeffers]
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 Originally Posted By: Jeffers
Interesting.

Health care didn't make the list, but a tv, computer and internet did.

Also, you didn't say whether this was for a single person or a family of four. Nor did it say whether it was their own apartment, or a rooming house.

I think a good minimum wage might be whatever Senator's pay their campaign volunteers.



You're right, I made the original list and I forgot about healthcare.

Growing up on a farm in Iowa, we pretty much never went to the doctor at all, except I'm sure we would have for broken bones ( never had any) or probably for a really bad fever. To us anything to do with the doctor or hospital was only in case of emergency.

For me personally, except for my flight physicals every two years and three surgeries (one for appendicitis, two for my eyes), I've only been to the doctor four times in my life that I can recall, and three of those I probably wouldn't have bothered except I was covered by insurance. (bad fever once, blocked ears twice). The one time I went even though I had no insurance, was when I tore my calf muscle.

It still is hard to think of health care as a regular, ordinary expense, not just an 'an emergency' - but I agree that it should.


Edited by Reality Bytes (05/04/08 06:16 AM)
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#61980 - 05/04/08 06:14 AM Re: Minimum wage [Re: mama]
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Mama, where do your daughter and son-in-law live?
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