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#66338 - 06/25/08 06:42 AM ReoundTable for Wednesday, June 25, 2008
Phil Hoskins Offline
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Welcome to the round Table for Wednesday, June 25, 2008

 Quote:
Myths are public dreams, dreams are private myths.
Joseph Campbell




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Campbell relied often upon the writings of Carl Jung as an explanation of psychological phenomena, as experienced through archetypes. But Campbell did not necessarily agree with Jung upon every issue, and had very definite ideas of his own.

A fundamental belief of Campbell's was that all spirituality is a search for the same basic, unknown force from which everything came, within which everything currently exists, and into which everything will return. This elemental force is ultimately “unknowable” because it exists before words and knowledge. Although this basic driving force cannot be expressed in words, spiritual rituals and stories refer to the force through the use of "metaphors" - these metaphors being the various stories, deities, and objects of spirituality we see in the world. For example, the Genesis myth in the Bible ought not be taken as a literal description of actual events, but rather its poetic, metaphorical meaning should be examined for clues concerning the fundamental truths of the world and our existence.

Accordingly, Campbell believed the religions of the world to be the various, culturally influenced “masks” of the same fundamental, transcendent truths. All religions, including Christianity and Buddhism, can bring one to an elevated awareness above and beyond a dualistic conception of reality, or idea of “pairs of opposites,” such as being and non-being, or right and wrong. Indeed, he quotes in the preface of The Hero with a Thousand Faces: "Truth is one, the sages speak of it by many names." which is a translation of the Rig Vedic saying "Ekam Sat Vipra Bahuda Vadanthi."

Wikipedia

Today in History

1788 -- Virginia became the 10th state in the Union.



1876 -- Lt. Col. George A. Custer and all his men were killed by Sioux and Cheyanne Indians at the Battle of Little Bighorn in Montana.


1950 -- Communist North Korean troops invaded South Korea, beginning the Korean War.


1991 -- Croatia and Slovenia proclaimed their independence from Yugoslavia, beginning the Yugoslavian civil war.


1997 -- Oceanographer Jacques Cousteau died.


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Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes.
Carl Jung


Have a great day. Compliment someone who doesn't expect it. Serve someone who has served you. Be nice to someone who doesn't deserve it. Today might be the last day you can do it.
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#66340 - 06/25/08 11:16 AM Re: ReoundTable for Wednesday, June 25, 2008 [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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Strange thing happened! I tried logging in on the Capitol Hill Blue home page and that page wouldn't accept the same info that RR did? What's up with that?

Olyve, thought about you last night.

Fresno St - 19 --- Georgia - 10

I thought another SEC championship was a cake-walk. Someone put icing on the path to the College World Series Title.

Go Bull Dawgs!

Kathy
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#66341 - 06/25/08 11:19 AM Re: ReoundTable for Wednesday, June 25, 2008 [Re: BamaMama]
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Have a great day. Compliment someone who doesn't expect it. Serve someone who has served you. Be nice to someone who doesn't deserve it. Today might be the last day you can do it.


Great opening and great affirmation. I'm going to do just that. It seems recession has hit the town that pundits said was recession proof. Over-the-roof gas prices can do that. A good friend is out of work and cannot find employment. She cannot pay her bills this month. I'm going to meet her to try to help her problem solve.

We need change that we can believe in!

Kathy
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#66344 - 06/25/08 12:24 PM Re: ReoundTable for Wednesday, June 25, 2008 [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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1630 Fork introduced to American dining by Gov Winthrop

2008 Presidential foot firmly inserted in mouth, when Bush promises to prevent Iranians from having influence in Iran


COINCIDENCE? I think NOT!

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“ I was a good boy. I went to church and believed in God. . . . One day I was sitting at the kitchen table, happily drawing my hero (Jesus) when my big brother Bob asked, 'Why do you believe in God?' Just a simple question. But my mum panicked. 'Bob,' she said, in a tone that I knew meant 'shut up.' Why was that a bad thing to ask? If there was a God and my faith was strong, it didn't matter what people said. Oh . . . hang on. There is no God. He knows it, and she knows it deep down. It was as simple as that. I started thinking about it and asking more questions, and within an hour, I was an atheist. ”
-- Ricky Gervais, 2007


From the Church of Ineffable Stupidity:

a) White House Cleans Air by putting head in sand.

The White House refused to open or read an e-mail from the EPA, one which unfortunately showed how enforcing the Clean Air statute would create hundreds of millions in benefits. This conflicted with the marching orders from top, so the report was never read, never published, and now languishes in the intertubes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/washington/25epa.html

Gawd, I love this White House. If a fact is inconvenient, ignore it. That makes life so easy!

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b) THREE MORE SOLDIERS' LIVES WASTED IN NORTHERN IRAQNAM

Regular media continue to censor all bad news from the muddle east, especially Iraq and Afghanistan.

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BAGHDAD - The U.S. military says three American soldiers and an interpreter have been killed in a bombing in northern Iraq.

A command statement says the deaths occurred about 10:45 p.m. Tuesday in Nineveh province.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_deaths

http://snipurl.com/2onyc


In unrelated news, in Baghdad, local district council meeting was bombed, killing 11 and wounding 11. An election was to be held for the chair of Sadr City local council. 2 more US soldiers and 2 USG employee were killed in the blast, as well as 2 US Embassy employees.

According to the latest GAO REPORT on IRAQ - JUNE 2008,
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The violence in Iraq continues to result in the displacement of many Iraqis from their homes. In late March 2008, the Internally Displaced Persons (IDP) Working Group14 reported that the number of IDPs remained very high, but new displacement was occurring at a lower rate. The working group attributed the lower rate of displacement to, among other things, the increasing ethnic homogenization within Iraq; the decrease in security incidents in some areas of Baghdad; and restrictions on freedom of movement in many Iraqi provinces. During April 2008, according to UN and International Organization for Migration reports, hundreds of Iraqi families fled their homes in the Sadr City area of Baghdad, with the
majority returning by early June 2008. The IDP Working Group estimated that over 2.77 million people were displaced inside Iraq, of which more than 1.5 million were displaced from 2006 through March 20, 2008. Further, the IDP Working Group estimated that 2 million additional Iraqis have left the country, including 1.2 million to 1.5 million who went to Syria and 450,000 to 500,000 who went to Jordan.16 The IDP Working Group also reported that as of March 20, 2008, large-scale return movements have not occurred.17 According to a May 2008 State Department report, more Iraqis were entering Syria in early 2008 than were returning to Iraq. State also reported that overall conditions for refugees in the region and Iraqis internally displaced continue to deteriorate.



3.5 MILLION REFUGES? And John McCain is saying things are going well in Iraq? to download the whole 94 page report, go here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mitchell-bard/the-surge-is-working-not_b_108976.html

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c) recent Virgin Mary spottings

a potato chip (Kansas)
a dorito (South Dakota)
an empty coconut shell (North Carolina)
a bar rag beer stain (Arkansas)
a tire tread mark (southern Florida)
a newly poured sidewalk (South Carolina)


Pastor Agnosic is looking for a sign, a message from above, given these recent spottings. What is Mary trying to tell us? Drunk driving on fresh sidewalks, while snacking makes you spill your beer?

Breaking news: Some crazy Miami couple claims an ultrasound of their male fetus also shows the wittle baby jesus. It will be on E-bay next week.
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d) Nancy Pelousy
Our brave leader of the House just admitted that she would be happy if the Senate filibustered and struck down the horrific FISA law she rammed through the house.

If she was so against this attack on our constitution, clearly she was in the best position to do something about it. Her actions on this legislation was pathetic. This is what qualifies as leadership these days? If so, our country is truly and completely screwed.
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#66351 - 06/25/08 01:35 PM Re: ReoundTable for Wednesday, June 25, 2008 [Re: agnostic]
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two supreme court decisions
death penalty for child rape is cruel and unusual, ergo illegal (5-4 Kennedy writing majority opinion, we know who the four are)

Exxon Valdez fine of 2.5 billion cut to 500 Million.

No decision on handgun case in DC, yet.
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#66354 - 06/25/08 02:01 PM Re: ReoundTable for Wednesday, June 25, 2008 [Re: agnostic]
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Registered: 02/26/08
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Loc: Rio Rancho, NM
 Originally Posted By: agnostic
two supreme court decisions
death penalty for child rape is cruel and unusual, ergo illegal (5-4 Kennedy writing majority opinion, we know who the four are)


A sad day...... what about the "cruel and unusual" of the act? Just my opinion... but any crime against a child should have the steepest of penalty, and not use my tax dollars to keep such "cruel" people alive to rot away in prison, and write books about it. But I'm not advocating all crimes against children should come with that penalty, just the capitol/heinous ones. You know what I mean. The innocense of a child should be protected by having the steepest of cost to those who take it away, but I also don't adhere to the theory that a death sentence doesn't really stop people or make them re-consider the act. Just the fact that someone could think "Hey, if I get caught for this, at least I KNOW I won't get the death penalty" seems to promote doing the act in the minds of these sicko's.

 Originally Posted By: Phil Hoskins
Have a great day. Compliment someone who doesn't expect it. Serve someone who has served you. Be nice to someone who doesn't deserve it. Today might be the last day you can do it.

Do this everyday I say and I try.


Edited by ChucklesNM (06/25/08 02:11 PM)
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#66356 - 06/25/08 02:46 PM Re: ReoundTable for Wednesday, June 25, 2008 [Re: ChucklesNM]
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when the only witness is a kid, when the legal system already convicts innocents at a disturbing rate, I think that the last thing we can support is a penalty that once used, cannot be appealed.
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#66358 - 06/25/08 03:15 PM Re: ReoundTable for Wednesday, June 25, 2008 [Re: agnostic]
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But taking it off the plate entirely, specially in cases of overwhelming evidence (i.e. Semen found in a little girl that matches the accused), I feel is wrong as well.
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#66363 - 06/25/08 03:43 PM Re: ReoundTable for Wednesday, June 25, 2008 [Re: ChucklesNM]
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In order to further the discussion of the child rape Court decision, I started a new thread
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#66364 - 06/25/08 03:51 PM Re: ReoundTable for Wednesday, June 25, 2008 [Re: ChucklesNM]
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 Originally Posted By: ChucklesNM
 Originally Posted By: agnostic
two supreme court decisions
death penalty for child rape is cruel and unusual, ergo illegal (5-4 Kennedy writing majority opinion, we know who the four are)


A sad day...... what about the "cruel and unusual" of the act?


is that how the human species should judge itself? by the depravaties fo the worst of us? is that our baseline now?

should we aspire to higher principles? or should we content ourselves with acting as bestial as those we judge?

no punishment will undo what was done. The child remains raped whether the rapist sits in the chair or not.

more of the same kind of thinking as, "well yes we torture but look what the terrorists do"

We should also be careful that protections built up over centuries, hard fought expressions of the equality of man and our principle of fairness are not worn away further. Child rape is a very emotive issue, and often distorts peoples judgement.

We do get angry and upset when we hear about it and know the details. but anger and upset should never be the basis of a legal decision.
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