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#68763 - 07/25/08 04:46 AM Round Table for Friday, July 25th, 2008
pdx rick Offline
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Today is July 25th, 2008 and on this date in 1805, Aaron Burr visited New Orleans with plans to establish a new country, with New Orleans as the capital city.

When Vice President Aaron Burr killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel in 1804, he also killed his chance to be president. Wanted for murder in New York, he fled the state and went to Philadelphia. Realizing that he had no future on the east coast, Burr, in a frantic effort to salvage his destroyed political power and heavily in debt, conceived a plan to seek political fortunes beyond the Alleghenies. He first contacted the British Minister, Anthony Merry, living in Philadelphia. He offered Merry his services in any efforts by Great Britain to take control over the western part of the United States. Merry, who hated the United States, wrote his Foreign Ministry that while Burr was notoriously profligate, nevertheless, his ambition and spirit of revenge would be useful to the British government. Merry became a strong supporter of Burr's schemes.

One of Burr's schemes was to organize a revolution in the West, take the Ohio and Mississippi Valleys and form them into a separate republic. His other scheme was to establish a republic bordering the United States by seizing Spanish possessions. To gain further support for his plans, Burr approached an old friend, General James Wilkinson; both had served as aides to then Colonel Benedict Arnold during the Quebec expedition. Wilkerson played a crucial role in the conspiracy for he not only conspired with Burr but conspired against him.

Wilkinson, after being commissioned a captain in the Continental Army in 1776, rose rapidly in rank and position. Assigned as aide-de-camp to General Horatio Gates, Wilkinson became involved in a plot, called the Conway Cabal, to replace George Washington as commander-in-chief with Gates. Wilkinson, himself, leaked aspects of the plot, probably believing in doing so he could gain some advantage for himself, but his scheme and the original plot failed. Wilkinson lost his job and military honors but kept his rank.

Despite this reversal, Wilkinson proceeded with several conspiracies. Replacing George Rogers Clark as leader in Kentucky, Wilkinson embarked on an attempt to separate Kentucky from Virginia. At the same time, he reasoned that an opportunity existed to make money from national resentment toward Spain. He traveled to New Orleans, where he convinced the Spanish authorities he was secretly working for the partition of the United States. He offered his services to the Spaniards, who identified him as "agent 13" in Spanish messages. Washington and Hamilton both thought that Wilkinson was a spy for the Spanish but felt that his loyalty could be purchased with a promotion.

Not satisfied with his intrigues involving Kentucky statehood and working an agent for the Spanish, Wilkinson accepted in 1792 a commission as brigadier general of a volunteer army fighting Indians north of the Ohio River. He then contrived to replace his commander, General "Mad Anthony" Wayne. Wilkinson succeeded only because Wayne died in 1796. He then seized Detroit from the British and became its military governor. His administration was short-lived as the citizens protested his greed and he returned to the South.

After arriving in the South, Wilkinson wheeled and dealed in land speculation and lucrative Army contracts and contrived to become governor or surveyor-general of the Mississippi Territory. President George Washington became uneasy about Wilkinson's activities and ordered his surveillance. Wilkinson discovered the surveillance and was able to have the surveillant withdrawn. Presidents John Adams and Thomas Jefferson did not share Washington's distrust of Wilkinson. In fact, in 1803 Jefferson fully trusted Wilkinson that he commissioned him to be one of two individuals to take formal possession of the Louisiana Purchase from the French.

In New Orleans, Wilkinson returned to his old ways and acted on Spanish fears concerning Florida, which was Spanish territory until 1819. For his ruse he received a $12,000 bribe. He purchased a boatload of sugar, took it to New York to sell and while there began secret negotiations with Burr, Jefferson's vice-president.

Burr, aware that war between the United States and Spain over boundary disputes was a possibility because of various Spanish conspiracies to achieve control of the lower Mississippi Valley, made covert plans with Wilkinson to invade and colonize Spanish territory in the West. They also schemed to establish an independent "Empire of the West" on a Napoleonic model. The conspirators even considered invading and annexing Mexico to add to their empire with New Orleans as capital.

Burr was dropped from the presidential ticket by Jefferson and in April 1805 commenced to put his plans into motion. He again approached the British via Minister Merry. He informed Merry that Louisiana was ready to break with the United States and once it did all the western country would follow suit. To be successful, Burr requested that Britain assure his protection, provide him with a half of million dollar loan, and dispatch a British naval squadron to the mouth of the Mississippi River. The British might have entertained Burr's requests but Prime Minister Pitt died and was succeeded by Charles James Fox, a life-long friend of the United States. Fox considered the Merry-Burr discussions indiscreet, dangerous and damnable and recalled Merry to England on June 1, 1806. Having failed to secure British aid in an attempt to separate western states from the United States, Burr then headed west across Pennsylvania. In Pittsburgh, he procured a riverboat and embarked down the Ohio River. He stopped to visit Harman Blennerhassett, a wealthy, gentleman-scholar and Irish emigrant, who lived with his wife Margaret on an island in the middle of the river. Burr explained his plan to Blennerhassett, who enthusiastically expressed his support by giving Burr money. Burr used the funds to later purchase the Batrop lands on the Ouachita River, in present-day northern Louisiana, to serve as his base of operations into the Southwest.

Burr continued down the river to New Orleans, recruiting frontiersmen, filibusters, adventurers, and others along the way. When he arrived in New Orleans in 1806, he was fervently welcomed because his game plan to colonize or conquer the Spanish possessions touched an appealing cord in many of the people. As rumors of his plan reached Washington, the political establishment suspected that Burr was talking treason. Wilkinson, who was stationed on the Sabine River on the Spanish border with the United States, learned of Washington's reaction and decided to inform on Burr to avoid being charged with treason himself. On November 25, 1806 a courier arrived in Washington carrying a dispatch for President Jefferson. In the dispatch, Wilkinson warned President Jefferson about Burr's threatening plan. Jefferson ordered Burr arrested and he was apprehended in late 1806 near Nachez, Mississippi, while attempting to flee into Spanish territory.

In May 1807, Burr was tried for treason in front of U.S. Chief Justice John Marshall in the circuit court at Richmond, Virginia. Jefferson prepared an account of Burr's criminal activity for Congress and wanted to present it to the court but Marshall requested President Jefferson appearance instead. The President refused, consequently establishing a precedent for future presidents. Marshall, who was not on amicable terms with Jefferson found Burr not guilty, explaining that Burr committed no overt act of treason. Although innocent of the charges against him, Burr was never able to overcome the accusations. He died in New York City in 1836.




Picture of the Day~





Joke of the Day~

Did you hear about the scientist whose wife had twins? He baptized one twin and kept the other twin as the control.




Note: Scott is still on vacation...

Have a good day everybody!!



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#68768 - 07/25/08 05:32 AM Re: Round Table for Friday, July 25th, 2008 [Re: pdx rick]
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OK, Rick, exactly WHO is "Scott"?

Note: I caught this before he posted last night but here it is again. So Rick, who is this Scott you are obsessed with?
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#68770 - 07/25/08 07:05 AM Re: Round Table for Friday, July 25th, 2008 [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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You know what is happening is...

I use Word® as my drawing board to put the RT together and the program keeps changing Scout to "Scott" automatically and I keep missing it.

Ok...

Let's try this again...

Note: Scout is still on vacation...

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#68774 - 07/25/08 11:33 AM Re: Round Table for Friday, July 25th, 2008 [Re: pdx rick]
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Morning, all - thought I'd drop in with a weather report and a whimper -

it was 75 and 90 this morning here when I woke up - and I find that the old saying about heat and humidity is absolutely true. 75 degrees and 90% humidity is not particularly comfortable.

Praying for rain or gills, whichever comes first -
Julia

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#68775 - 07/25/08 12:56 PM Re: Round Table for Friday, July 25th, 2008 [Re: pdx rick]
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 Quote:
1661 - Parliament confirms Navigation Act

1888 - Philip Pratt unveils 1st electric automobile


COINCIDENCE? I think NOT!

 Quote:
“The facts on which the true believer bases his conclusions must not be derived from his experience or observation but from holy writ. . . . To rely on the evidence of the senses and of reason is heresy and treason.
. . . .
Thus the effectiveness of a doctrine should not be judged by its profundity, sublimity or the validity of the truths it embodies, but by how thoroughly it insulates the individual from his self and the world as it is. What Pascal said of an effective religion is true of any effective doctrine: It must be 'contrary to nature, to common sense and to pleasure.'”
-- Eric Hoffer


FROM THE CHURCH OF INEFFABLE STUPIDITY:

a) Heather Mills, the Queen of Bitch
Even her paid news-spinner, a PR publicist has had it with her tantrums and quit her job.
 Quote:
On reflection and given the way I have been treated, I now have sympathy with much of what the British Press has reported about her.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/25/heather-mills-publicist-q_n_114906.html


This story even beats the Indian who just married a dog as punishment for torturing and killing two dogs. He hopes that this marriage cures him of the curse that has followed him since he killed the pups.

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b) Ben Stein - get the reds out!

That aroma of rotting vegetable matter that wafts over cable news is the smell of the GOP and NeoConMan desperation. They cannot comprehend the level of dislike, mistrust and exhaustion that the entire world, the USA included, has with the current GOP brand or president Bush. They fail to realize how much the 173 yr old John McCain represents more of the same. Lastly, they simply ignore the fact that 75% of Americans strongly think our country is headed in the wrong direction.

The deapth of their despair is best measured by their reaction to Obama's appearance in Berlin.
 Quote:
On the July 23 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck, guest Ben Stein, while discussing Sen. Barack Obama's plan to deliver his speech accepting the Democratic presidential nomination at Denver's Invesco Field, stated that he did not "like the idea of Senator Obama giving his acceptance speech in front of 75,000 wildly cheering people" because "[t]hat is not the way we do things in political parties in the United States of America." Stein continued: "Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done. And I think whoever is advising Senator Obama to do this is bringing up all kinds of very unfortunate images from the past."

Host Beck responded that he has "been saying that we're headed towards a Mussolini-style presidency forever. ... I mean it's crazy." Stein then declared, "It's a scary situation. ... But 75,000 people screaming in an outdoor arena, that's just too much. It's just -- it's scarily authoritarian." He continued: "It's like Juan Peron and Evita."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200807240001?f=h_latest


Their insults and comparisons go way beyond the pale, but given their fear of change, understandable. What they fail to realize is just how pathetic their feeble efforts appear to the average person. They applaud the fascist behavior of Darth Cheney and Der fuhrer, George Bush, but when spontaneous excitement occurs due to the presence of moderate-liberal politician, they call HIM fascist?

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c) Judge orders name change for "Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii"
 Quote:
A family court judge in New Zealand has had enough with parents giving their children bizarre names here, and did something about it.

Just ask Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii. He had her renamed.

Judge Rob Murfitt made the 9-year-old girl a ward of the court so that her name could be changed, he said in a ruling made public Thursday. The girl was involved in a custody battle, he said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/07/24/international/i024102D83.DTL


See? the legal system DOES work. Kudos to Judge Murfitt and shame on the parents who would do that to a kid.

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d) Air Force Woes
Must be all that faith based training they got at the Air Force Academy. Just this year, the Air Force has:

i. lost 6 nukes and transported them to a base which supplies Iraq
ii. lost a B-2 bomber
iii. lost a B-52 bomber
iv. sent top secret nuke detonators to Taiwan
v. failed two follow-up nuclear security inspections, AFTER A NUKE STORAGE BASE WAS WARNED IN ADVANCE
vi. had officers in charge of secret launch codes at a ICBM base fall asleep on duty.

perhaps a little less bible beating, and a little more military training would do us all some good. The good news? the Air Force Academy is only three years behind in their promised four year plan to fix and eradicate religious hazing problems against cadets of different faiths. Glad to see some progress was made.

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e) The dark, dank, abysmal, sorry state of modern journalism.

While Obama gathers 200,000 in Berlin, traditional US media calls him "presumptuous." Well, at least that uppity black man is no longer called "elite." Doesn't that ni**** know his place? Say, like the back of the bus?
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#68776 - 07/25/08 01:53 PM Re: Round Table for Friday, July 25th, 2008 [Re: pdx rick]
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1871 Carrousel patented by Wilhelm Schneider, Davenport, Iowa

1953 NYC transit fare rises from 10 to 15, 1st use of subway tokens

Pigs chant, "'Round and 'round and up and ... up."
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#68780 - 07/25/08 03:39 PM Re: Round Table for Friday, July 25th, 2008 [Re: humphreysmar]
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Pastor Ag is pissed at himself. Instead of catching up on paper and work, I'm sitting here, watching the impeachment hearing of George W. Bush on C-Span. fascinating. important. Just 2 yrs too late.
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#68781 - 07/25/08 05:07 PM Re: Round Table for Friday, July 25th, 2008 [Re: agnostic]
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hur hur hur, Mccain visits the Fudge Haus

is that a euphamism or what?
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#68782 - 07/25/08 06:11 PM Re: Round Table for Friday, July 25th, 2008 [Re: Mellowicious]
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 Originally Posted By: Mellowicious
Morning, all - thought I'd drop in with a weather report and a whimper -

it was 75 and 90 this morning here when I woke up - and I find that the old saying about heat and humidity is absolutely true. 75 degrees and 90% humidity is not particularly comfortable.

Praying for rain or gills, whichever comes first -
Julia

well darlin. the problem is you're thinking about Georgia too much.
You oughta just come on over ifn you're going to wish that kind of weather on yourself...
We're used to it!

Rick, that photo is STUNNING. I love it!
Thank you for filling in. Would you consider a permanent position (again) ?

So what happens when Scott gets BACK from vacation. Do we get to meet this person???
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#68783 - 07/25/08 06:18 PM Re: Round Table for Friday, July 25th, 2008 [Re: olyve]
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Hi everybody!
This is just a run through. I'm busy as 'all get out'. It's that way in a college town this time of year!

That said, I'm going to take time out and go see my old buddy Ralph Nader on campus here in a little bit.

See y'all later.
Olyve
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