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#73508 - 09/02/08 12:01 AM Re: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Is McCain's VP Pick [Re: Ardy]
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 Originally Posted By: Ardy
The "father" of the child is known; and apparently known to have had sex with a minor.


Link? And did you mean minor, or below the age of consent/statutory rape?


Edited by Hekate (09/02/08 12:03 AM)
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#73509 - 09/02/08 12:03 AM Re: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Is McCain's VP Pick [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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 Originally Posted By: Phil Hoskins
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this is one of those things that I personally think should be off limits but know it won't be.
I shake my head in wonder on so many levels.
I'm also not surprised.


As soon as issues of contraception, abortion, gay or any other kind of sex, how people gather in families, etc. etc. are off limits then Gov. Palin's family sexual history can be off limits too. If they are going to stick their nose into our private lives then it is fair game for them.


Senator Obama seems to think they are not.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/obama_tells_press_to_back_off.html
However, in assessing one's readiness for the office of Vice President, I think it is relevant to assess one's performance as a person. Given the agenda of the wing of the GOP that Governor Palin claims to represent, she has committed one or more of several sins:

She has failed as a parent to teach her daughter the evils of premarital sex.

She has failed as a parent to teach her daughter of the dangers of sex as it relates to potential pregnancy.

She has failed, apparently, to teach her daughter the dangers of unprotected sex as it relates to contraction and/or spread of sexually transmitted diseases.

If she can't handle such basic tasks of parenthood, then how is she going to stare down Vladimir Putin in Georgia?

I think that is relevant. Though I would agree with Senator Obama that we all should leave the daugher and the future grandchild alone. Focus on what this means as it relates to the Governor's performance as a person and future leader of the free world.
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#73510 - 09/02/08 12:07 AM Re: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Is McCain's VP Pick [Re: loganrbt]
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Nice try, logan, but I'd counter with this: Bush '41 raised at least one child with a drug/alcohol problem, and no one seems to believe it was a sign of bad judgement.

In fact, Bush '43 seems to have raised a pair of twins with a serious alcohol management problem apiece -- and that hasn't upset the religious right at all.
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#73512 - 09/02/08 12:13 AM Re: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Is McCain's VP Pick [Re: Hekate]
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 Originally Posted By: Hekate
 Originally Posted By: Ardy
The "father" of the child is known; and apparently known to have had sex with a minor.


Link? And did you mean minor, or below the age of consent/statutory rape?


Sorry, I probably do not know exactly what I am talkiung about... "below the age of consent/statutory rape" sounds like what I think I mean.
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#73513 - 09/02/08 12:14 AM Re: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Is McCain's VP Pick [Re: loganrbt]
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Here is an interesting opinion piece, Pregnancy is no political football.

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Bristol's pregnancy is fair game, so goes the argument, because it shows the failure of conservative policies.

But does it? We have no idea what the circumstances of the conception were. Maybe Bristol and her partner knew how to use contraception, had secured contraception, were using contraception – and it failed. Wouldn't be the first time. Such a scenario would hardly make Bristol's pregnancy an indictment of Sarah Palin's politics; it would merely suggest that Bristol doesn't share her mother's politics. Wouldn't be the first time for that, either. Just ask Ron Regan Junior. There's the possibility that Bristol wanted to get pregnant and planned this pregnancy – which is a choice lots of young women make, including Barack Obama's 18-year-old mother, as he reminded us today. The term "pro-choice" is robbed of all meaning if it means only defending the choices with which we agree.

Or can't conveniently be used as a political football against a candidate we don't like.

...

Frankly, even from a strategic angle, this isn't a good issue. Everyone who disagrees with Sarah Palin's extreme abortion and sex education positions already knows that increased teen pregnancy (if not this specific teen pregnancy itself) is the inevitable result of those policies. Everyone who agrees with her positions will celebrate her daughter's decision to "choose life" and the family's decision to support her. And everyone who doesn't have a strong position either way will likely view this as a private family matter and regard anyone trying to politicize it as an [censored]. Going after Palin on this just isn't a winner, even irrespective of the principle.


(Emphasis added.) ETA, the author is a progressive.




Edited by Hekate (09/02/08 12:16 AM)
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#73514 - 09/02/08 12:16 AM Re: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Is McCain's VP Pick [Re: Hekate]
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#73517 - 09/02/08 12:31 AM Re: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Is McCain's VP Pick [Re: Hekate]
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I agree with all of you, and with Sen. Obama, that we should stay away from the children's issues.

Having said that, I am a little bothered by the fact that not only did Sarah Palin just have a baby a few months ago, one that will need some significant caretaking by both parents if possible, but she also has a son about to go to Iraq, and now a daughter who is pregnant. Perhaps I'm projecting here, and God knows I will never be in her position, but I think that I would scale my ambitions back for a bit and tend to family issues. At least I hope I would.

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#73519 - 09/02/08 12:39 AM Re: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Is McCain's VP Pick [Re: Hekate]
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 Originally Posted By: Hekate
Going after Palin on this just isn't a winner, even irrespective of the principle.

I agree with the view that it is, pointless, and wrong to go after Gov. Palin on this issue. I do think it is fair game to go after the religious demagogues who presume to lecture others on which political position Jesus would take. Is Jesus for or against having sex with minor children? If Jesus was running the justice system, what would be the punishment for someone who committed this crime? Would Jesus endorse marriage to someone who had committed this crime?

People who have absolute certainty about jesus's political views should have clear answers to just such questions. After all, they propose to legislate a Christianized sharia law for the united states and we should know the details of this Christian nation they propose.
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#73520 - 09/02/08 12:52 AM Re: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Is McCain's VP Pick [Re: Ardy]
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#73522 - 09/02/08 01:26 AM Re: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Is McCain's VP Pick [Re: Hekate]
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 Originally Posted By: Hekate

Thanks, your link enlightened me on a subject of which I was ignorant.

That said, regardless of what the law is... there is a question as to what our guardians of moral purity think the laws "should" be. What would Jesus think? How would Jesus arrange the law?

You see, I am not sure how Jesus would feel about the current Law in Alaska.
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The age of consent in Alaska is 16. This is the age at which an individual may consent to have sex with someone over 18, legally, in Alaska. It applies both to heterosexual and homosexual acts.
It seems to me that this law virtually encourages homosexuality sex among children.... not that that is wrong...

I personally would be happy as a lark if John McCain and the religious right would field such questions and say it is none of their business. But, IF IT IS their business... then they should be about their business and not hide under a rock just because the questions happen to involve one of their designated leaders.

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