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#87146 - 11/14/08 10:08 PM Re: We shall overcome [Re: Schlack]
Schlack Offline
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more seriously though, if you feel like putting on your best protesting shoes...

find your local protest

IMPACT
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#87147 - 11/14/08 10:11 PM Re: We shall overcome [Re: Schlack]
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NEWS FLASH! Schlack agrees to mince words!!! NEWS FLASH!!!
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#87160 - 11/14/08 11:02 PM Re: We shall overcome [Re: loganrbt]
olyve Offline
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Thanks, Schlack.
I had not heard about that. I'm going to try and get to ours tomorrow (demonstration).

I just signed a petition circulating (No on Prop 8) and forwarded it on to more people I know.
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#87168 - 11/14/08 11:48 PM Re: We shall overcome [Re: olyve]
Jeffro Offline
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Registered: 01/24/06
Posts: 605
Loc: San Francisco
 Originally Posted By: olyve
Thanks, Schlack.
I had not heard about that. I'm going to try and get to ours tomorrow (demonstration).

I just signed a petition circulating (No on Prop 8) and forwarded it on to more people I know.


Hmmm... that's funny Olyve, I believe I linked to this back on page 4. ;\)
Thank you for your support. Seriously. It has not always existed and to hear and read so much positive from heterosexuals during this has been amazing. There have been a lot of negative, hateful reactions (not here), but in reading a lot of message boards, I have been pleasantly surprised at how much support we really have. I don't mean to negate any of that in all my whining.

I will be at the protest tomorrow morning. What is discouraging (and Phil made a point of this earlier) is that I spoke to several gay people I work with this week who are not going to attend. The reasons I got were valid (will be traveling, have to work, etc) to really lame (really hate crowds, "what will this accomplish, the election is over") and my neighbor and co-worker may or may not be going with me because "who planned a protest for gays at 10:30 on a Saturday morning?!". I explained to him that 10:30am isn't really all that early, particularly since we live FIVE FREAKIN' BLOCKS from Civic Center! We'll see.

Someone asked what we hoped to accomplish. I said "well, I would like to get a right I am granted by the State Constitution back. So, I guess, not much". I have never felt like hitting so many people as I have the past couple weeks.



Edited by Jeffro (11/14/08 11:49 PM)
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#87173 - 11/15/08 12:43 AM Re: We shall overcome [Re: ]
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 12581
 Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Now, if it is defeated in court, I think it would be incumbent upon the anti-Prop 8 folks to work to get something on the ballot confirming the court's decision. Crafting it will be tricky, but I think they need to "set the standard" before the opponents do. Something along the lines of "no civil rights currently granted by law may be abrogated by less than a super majority of the electorate." That could cement the right and make it highly unlikely to be overturned by a proposition.


But, if it is worded so that it can be rescinded by vote, then it is not a right, but rather a mere civil privilege subject to abrogation at the whim of the populus. There should be something more foundational on which to rest a claim to a right if it is to be "secured" by law, and in my opinion that foundation is whether "marriage" is an inherent, and thus, unalienable right.

Earlier, when it was being bandied about as a federal issue, I viewed same sex marriage from several perspectives before coming to my own conclusion. I will simply repeat here what I posted then.

"1. The US Constitution does not grant the Federal Government authority over marriage therefore it is not a federal matter.

2. Is marriage a right or a privilege? If marriage is defined as a contractual lifetime commitment between two consenting people, and the exercising of this action does not require active provision by non-involved persons, and the exercising of this action does not infringe upon the rights of others, then I would have to conclude that it is an inherent right not dependent upon the state or other authorities.

3. If engaging in a contractual lifetime commitment by two consenting individuals is a right, then the question becomes, is such a right restricted to heterosexual contractual commitment, or is a same-sex contractual commitment also an inherent right?

4. All natural or inherent rights are morally self-restricting in that each person's liberty to exercise such a right ceases just prior to infringing on the inherent rights of another. In addition, society (usually through the power of the state) may place additional limitations on an inherent right. The reason for doing so is to ensure as best it can, social harmony (I mean by this, respect for the rights of all individuals).

So, when it comes to determining if same-sex consensual 'marriage' is also included in the general right to consensual marriage, the question is, "Does its prohibition protect other individuals from a threat great enough to infringe on what is otherwise an inherent right"? If so, what is that threat?

My personal opinion is that 'marriage', same or hetero, is not a matter for state involvement. I also do not accept altering constitutions -- state or federal -- to restrict individual freedom that does not infringe on the rights of others or severely and negatively impact others in society. This leaves the question of whether the individual states should pass laws that would restrict such freedoms. In the case of consenting contractual commitment (a.k.a. marriage), I do not see why they should.

I do personally consider marriage, in the traditional meaning of the word, to refer only to the consensual contractual commitment between a male and a female (whether through a church ceremony or legal documents drawn up in a lawyer's office). However, I cannot see any threat from the same documents being drawn up for a same-sex couple. There may be threats that I am not aware of, and -- like Perot said -- I am all ears.:-)

In pondering this issue, I think principle compels me to not support the "yes for man and woman only marriage" thingie."

I have seen nothing nor thought of any reason since writing the above to change my position on this issue.
Yours,
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#87174 - 11/15/08 01:10 AM Re: We shall overcome [Re: issodhos]
Jeffro Offline
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 Quote:
I do personally consider marriage, in the traditional meaning of the word, to refer only to the consensual contractual commitment between a male and a female (whether through a church ceremony or legal documents drawn up in a lawyer's office). However, I cannot see any threat from the same documents being drawn up for a same-sex couple. There may be threats that I am not aware of, and -- like Perot said -- I am all ears.:-)


Iss, your ears will fall off waiting for an explanation of the threats. Opponents claim a threat, yet are much less forthcoming when asked for specifics. The question has been asked repeatedly and I have yet to hear what this threat to "traditional" marriage is.

That is not even how prop 8 passed, it passed, at least in part, based on lies about children being taught about this horrible abomination in schools. The other component was, of course, religion. While I appreciate the time you took to spell out any kind of rational, legal objections to this vote, and hopefully that is how it will be resolved (at least for my state), the objections to gay marriage are neither.
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#87176 - 11/15/08 02:54 AM Re: We shall overcome [Re: issodhos]
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Issodhos, all rights in a constitutional system are subject to vote, the question is what level of hurdles are in place to reduce the likelihood of basic rights being abrogated.

It is my contention that there is such a barrier to an initiative like Prop 8 in the California Constitution but it was not followed.
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#87198 - 11/15/08 12:04 PM Re: We shall overcome [Re: Jeffro]
olyve Offline
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Registered: 08/02/06
Posts: 7477
Loc: Athens, Ga.
 Originally Posted By: Jeffro
[quote=olyve]
Hmmm... that's funny Olyve, I believe I linked to this back on page 4. ;\)

Sometimes I miss things.
I'm sorry, Jeffro.


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I have never felt like hitting so many people as I have the past couple weeks.
I'm doubly sorry, Jeffro. My heart truly hurts for you. I can 'hear' your pain.

I have too many gay friends not to support this.
One couple that we are close to have been committed to each other as long as we have known them....close to ten years. They would love to get married.
If you think things are tough in California...

That said, we DO depend on you big 'librul' states to get the ball rolling on these kinds of issues so that we can 'hope' at least to piggy back on your victories.
That is why we here have demonstrations in solidarity with you. We want you to feel us over here rooting for you.

You're getting complaints about it being so early there. Here the complaints are that is it during the football game!

My best to you Californians.
Go get um.
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#87200 - 11/15/08 12:16 PM Re: We shall overcome [Re: olyve]
california rick Offline
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The 8=hate org has pubished a list of businesses that contributed to Prop 8:

John Griffiths / Dentist, John C. Griffiths, Dds, Mds, Pc /Las Vegas, NV / $1,000

Anne-Marie Anderson /Consultant, Cps Human Resource Svc. / Rocklin, CA /$3,900

Darren Hulstine / Sales, Patterson Dental / Santa Maria, CA / $1,500

Dale Olsen / Contractor, The Floor Show Of California / Lemon Grove, CA / $1,000

John Sawyer / President, Penhall Company / Laguna Hills, CA / $2,500

John Sawyer / President, Penhall Company / Laguna Hills, CA / $1,000


Samuel Coates / Attorney / Palo Alto, CA / $2,500

Fieldstead And Co. / Irvine, CA / $95,000

Margaret Friedrich / Farmer, Friedrich Enterprises / Paterson, CA /$1,000

Frank Winger / Insurance, Aim / Santa Ana, CA /$2,500

Andre Carli / Professor, Cal. State Univ. Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA / $1,000

Container Supply Co., Inc. / Garden Grove, CA / $250,000

Wesley C. Hilton / V.p. Ins. Sales, Dominion Insurance / Lafayette, CA / $1,250

Kemp Burnham / Software Developer, Xact Ware Inc. / Lehi, UT / $1,000

Koreen Martone / Budget Analyst, State Of Ca. / West Sacramento, CA / $1,000

Gary Mcarthur / Dc, Ppc / Paradise, CA / $1,000

Gary Melman / Investment Manager, Horus / Los Angeles, CA / $1,000

Barnabas Chen / Manager, World Trend, Inc. / Pomona, CA / $1,000

Gayle Wells / Seminar Business, Empty Spools Seminars / Moraga, CA / $1,000

Lambeth Consulting / Greenwood, CA / $1,000

Stephen Elgorriaga / Sheep Rancher, Stephen Elgorriaga Livestock / Madera, CA / $1,000

Country View Farms / Pierce, NE / $2,500

Roy Menchavez / Equip. Eng., Venzon Engineering / Mountain View, CA / $1,000

Frank Velasquez / Coo, Cornerstone Technologies / San Jose, CA / $1,000

Tyler Albrechtsen / Healthcare Administrator, Victoria Care Center / Oxnard, CA / $1,000

Bruce Andrus / Hotel Owner/operator, Huntington Hotels / Park City, UT / $20,000

Daniel Brinton / Physician, East Bay Retina Consultants / Lafayette, CA /


$2,000

Stan Lee / Pharmacist, Nelsons Drug Store / Upland, CA / $5,000

Jeffrey Puryear / Lab Research Assoc., Texas Agrilife Research Station / Bryan, TX / $1,000

Matthew Wade / Medical Resident, Uc Irvine / Salt Lake City, UT / $2,000

Focus On The Family / Colorado Springs, CO / $2,909

Robert Gray / Consultant, Rg-construction Consultants / Plumas Lake, CA / $2,000

Robert Mendenhall / Pres., Western Governors University / Salt Lake City, CA / $1,000

John Mcgaffey / Manager, Polara Engineering / Fullerton, CA / $2,000

Garth Pickett / Accounting, Ladera Integrators / Mountain View, CA / $2,000

Tracy Pickett / Executive Support, Ladera Integrators / Mountain View, CA / $1,999

Lisa Myler / Wedding Planner, Myler Weddings / American Fork, UT / $10,000

Jerner Construction, Inc. / Turlock, CA / $1,000

Paula Barnes / Scheduler, Disneyland / Mission Viejo, CA / $3,000

Michael Brown / Attorney, Michael R. Brown, A Law Corp. / Lake Forest, CA / $1,200

Earl Goodman / President, Goodman, Gene, Dtl, Inc. / Chandler, AZ / $9,999

James Mclaughlin / Investment Management, Lincolnshire Management, Inc. / New Canaan, CT / $1,000

Donald Nanney / Attorney, Gilchrist & Rutter, Pc / Pasadena, CA / $1,000

Coalition For The Protection Of / Las Vegas, NV / $5,000

William Allen / Orthodontist, North County Orthodontist / Carlsbad, CA / $1,000

Morgan Lynch / Management, Lago Di Como / Cedar Hills, UT / $2,500

Scott Haskins / President, Facl, Inc. / Santa Barbara, CA / $5,000

Jessica Wooden / Rn, Sutter Roseville Medical Center / Rescue, CA / $1,500

Yvonne Tsai / Consultant, Kingdom Design / Irvine, CA / $1,000

Caleb Nelson / Self Employed, Unishippers Of Oakland/oregon / Albany, OR / $1,000

Jan Pinney / Insurance Broker, Pinney Insurance Center, Inc. / Granite Bay, CA / $10,000

Ken Campbell / Personnel Officer, City Of Long Beach / Mission Viejo, CA / $1,000

Price Funeral Chapel, Inc. / Citrus Heights, CA / $1,000

Kevin Neubert & Associates Inc. / Lake Arrowhead, CA / $1,000

Scott Borgia / Tax Director, Armanino Mckenna / Morgan Hill, CA / $1,000

Leading Edge Duplication, Inc / Moorpark, CA / $1,700

Joseph Ray / Civil Engineer, P G & E / Rodeo, CA / $1,000

Kimberly Sneddon / Teacher, Chino Usd / Brea, CA / $1,000

Tisha Harty / Office Manager, Law Office Of Douglas Harty / Castaic, CA /

$1,000

Steven Udvar / Manager, Pacific Life Insurance Co. / Dana Point, CA /


$1,000

Lorin Rocks / Engineer, Tandberg Television / San Jose, CA / $1,000

Melenaite Piutau / Contractor, New Epoch Construction / Ontario, CA / $2,000

Heath Fields / Shipping/receiving, Terico / San Jose, CA / $1,000

Container Supply Co., Inc. / Garden Grove, CA / $1,520

Blake Wettengel / Attorney, Snell & Wilmer / Laguna Niguel, CA / $1,000

Cheryl Aday / Real Estate, Provident Realty / Upland, CA / $1,000

Ray Zinn / Ceo, Micrel Inc. / Atherton, CA / $1,500

Gregory Tuttle / Dentist, Gregory K Tuttle Dds / El Dorado Hills, CA / $5,000

Katherine Foster / Manager, Cisco / Mountain View, CA / $2,000

David Boyce / Cpa, Brown, Fink, Boyce & Astle

/ Folsom, CA / $4,000

Michael Lee / Researcher, Natl Inst. For Materials Science / Elk Ridge, UT / $1,500

Joel Gibson / Consultant, Permanente Medical Group / Albany, CA / $1,000

Courtney Sirard / Medical Provider, Woodland Hospital / Woodland, CA /

$1,000

Alex Spjute / Attorney, Hughes Hubbard & Reed / Redondo Beach, CA / $1,000

Wei Li / Engineer, Sensage / Daly City, CA / $1,000

Sherri Steenburgen / Real Estate, First Team Real Estate / Anaheim, CA /

$2,341

John Lewis / Doctor, Tpmg / Cupertino, CA / $1,000

Kevin Schick / Programmer, Synteract Inc. / Carlsbad, CA / $1,000

Anne Jones / Calligrapher, Self - Anne Jones / North Hollywood, CA /


$1,000

Sherry Jagard / Program Manager / Simi Valley, CA / $1,000

Walter Gubler / Professor, Uc Davis / Davis, CA / $1,000

Montgomery Painting / Cerritos, CA / $1,000

Jeff Lemmon / Businessman, New Star / Pacific Grove, CA / $1,000

Brandon Ballard / Investment Advisor, Investools Inc. / Los Angeles, CA /


$1,000

Matthew Thueson / Office Manager, Roll Services / Tucson, AZ / $1,000

Lawrence R. Taylor / Cpa, Gallina, Llp / Antelope, CA / $1,000

Carl Trubschenck / Dentist, Carl Trubschenck Dds Inc. / Citrus Heights, CA / $1,000

Christopher Porter / Vp Sales, Pearson / Folsom, CA / $1,000

Ryan S. Beck / Physical Therapist, Western Physical Therapy / Orland, CA / $1,000

David Bjarnason / Analyst, Western Investment / Salt Lake City, CA / $1,000

Ralph E. Carr / Social Worker, Dept. Of Children & Family Serv. / Downey, CA / $1,000

Kirk Phillips / Civil Engineer, City Of Claremont California / Upland, CA / $1,000

Tca Partners, Llp / Fresno, CA / $1,000

Thomas Carmack / Attorney, Wilson, Sonsini, Goodrich & Rosa / Mountain View, CA / $1,000

Mike Power / Engineer, Intuit / San Jose, CA / $1,000

Rhonda Killion / Secretary, Church On The Rock / Woodland, CA / $1,000

Brian Avery / Property Manager, Acco Mgt. / Mountain View, CA / $1,000

Blaine Ray Workshops / Consultant / Pismo Beach, CA / $1,000

Scott English / Programmer, Tmmg / Yorba Linda, CA / $2,000

Special Funds / Santa Clarita, CA / $2,675

Bolt Motorcycle Hardware / Atascadero, CA / $1,000

Ridgway Pope / Accountant, County Of Ventura / Ventura, CA / $1,000

Daniel Trueba / Doctor, U.s. Navy / Stonington, CT / $1,000

Alta Home Care Inc. / Riverside, CA / $2,500

Mark Riem / Audio Visual, Self Employed-mark Riem / Los Angeles, CA / $1,000

Chris Barlow / Finance, Lombard Street Partners, Llc / San Ramon, CA / $1,000

Tulikininifo Penieli / Intl. Export., Dhl Express / Lawndale, CA / $1,000

Metal Related Services, Inc / Chatsworth, CA / $2,000

Kawika Tupou / Engineer, Alg Corp. / Camarillo, CA / $1,000

Brian Everett / Architect, Nmr Architects / Orangevale, CA / $1,250

Cory Reid / Loss Mitigation, Consumer Protection Institute / Moraga, CA / $1,000

Kendell Ricks / Dentist, Village Dental / Bonsall, CA / $1,000

Alekisanita Vimahi / Merchandiser, Retail Marketing / Millbrae, CA / $1,500

Cooley Family Investment Llc / Higley, AZ / $10,000

Andrew Hunt / Civil Engineer, City Of Sacramento / Folsom, CA / $1,000

Craig Yeates / Auditor, Us Department Federal Government / Camarillo, CA / $1,000

Robert Ludlow / Dentist, Self Employed - Robert Ludlow / Modesto, CA / $5,000

Katherine Laret / Teacher, San Juan Unified School District / Orangevale, CA / $1,000

Sandra Ball / Manager, Treehouse Almonds / Lemoore, CA / $1,000

Bruce Stephenson / Cpa, Gallina Llp / Granite Bay, CA / $1,000

Mann Construction / Santa Barbara, CA / $1,000

Golding Publications / Canyon Lake, CA / $1,000

M By 6 Inc / Stockton, CA / $1,000

Richard Reep / Hrm, Home Depot / Shingle Springs, CA / $2,000

David Hilburn / Nursing Home Administrator, Sherwood Healthcare Center / Granite Bay, CA / $5,000

Danielle Peterson / Gis Analyst, Granite Construction / Sacramento, CA / $1,000

Ken Sanofsky / Ceo, Path Solutions / Angoura Hills, CA / $1,000

Scott Kuhnen / Paper Stock Dealer, Recycling Industries / Yuba City, CA / $28,750

John Larcabal / Optometrist, Brea Optomatry / Brea, CA / $1,000

Wailana Kamauu / Agent, Wailana Kamauu Ins. Agency / Sonoma, CA / $1,000

Lori Hooke / Civil Engineer, Ventura County / Ventura, CA / $1,200

Gordon Jones / Chemical Salesman, Cardinal Industry / Thousand Oaks, CA / $2,000

Calvary Chapel Corona /Corona, CA / $2,533

Trentman Corporation / Auburn, CA / $1,000

Bart Walker / Owner, Barts Electric / Pleasant Valley, MO / $1,000

Huesser Neweight Llc / Concord, CA / $1,000

Nathan Jensen / Attorney, Morrison & Foerster / San Diego, CA / $10,000

Randall Hatcher / Human Resources, Maui Inc. / Augusta, GA / $5,000

Margaret Mccauley / Landscaper, Pml Landscape / Clovis, CA / $1,000

Brian Hayes / Restaurateur, Aunt Fannys Hot Pretzel / Auburn, CA / 1,000

Craig Huey / Advertising, Creative Direct Marketing Group / Torrance, CA / $1,000

Elizabeth Thomas / Teacher, Burbank Usd / Burbank, CA / $1,000

Shelburne Ponsford / Pres., Systems Information Tech. / Santa Rosa, CA / $1,000

Rodney Hewitt / Chief Risk Officer, Centrue Bank / Manlius, IL / $2,500

Kelley Drake / Supply Chain Mgt, Lsi Corp / San Jose, CA / $1,000

Thomas Larson / Engineer, Cal Trans / San Diego, CA / $9,900

Jason Swart / Owner, Specialized Dairy Svc. / Ontario, CA / $1,000

Steven Turner / Attorney, Jones Turner, Llp / Irvine, CA / $1,000

Focus On The Family / Colorado Springs, CO / $328

Focus On The Family / Colorado Springs, CO / $981

Focus On The Family / Colorado Springs, CO / $46

Focus On The Family / Colorado Springs, CO / $83

Lauri Janssen / Accountant, Intermountan Health Care / West Jordan, UT / $1,000

Lee Monson / Air Attack Capt., Dyncorp International / Atascadero, CA / $1,000

Byron Johnson / President, Eml Associates Inc. / Manteca, CA / $1,000

April Bullard / Business Owner, Scv / Whittier, CA / $1,000

Debra Cabeza / Programmer, City Of Los Angeles / Montebello, CA / $1,000

Michael Manning / Cpa, Qlogic Corporation / San Juan Capistrano, CA / $20,000

Dan Northcutt / Property Management/real Estate, Northcutt Properties Inc. / San Diego, CA / $1,000

Brian Thulin / Teacher, Lausd / Simi Valley, CA / $1,000

Lance Dane / Small Business Owner, Self Employed - Lance Dane / Lafayette, CA / $2,500

Karen Rohm / Professor, California State University / San Bernardino, CA / $1,000

Karen Merrill / Finance Director, Bcbg / Pasadena, CA / $1,000

Nancy Hales / Self Employed, Hales Engineering / Camarillo, CA / $5,000

Lupeni Tuaone / Construction, L.t. Concrete / Chino, CA / $1,614

Ryan Hall / Real Estate, Keller Williams / San Clemente, CA / $1,000

Brent Webb / President, Rpm / Granite Bay, CA / $5,000

David Bills / Teacher, Sbcusd / Corona, CA / $1,000

Michael Wach / Self Employed, Self - Michael Wach / Pomona, CA / $1,000

Theron Brown / Nuclear Radiologist, Va / Torrance, CA / $1,200

Robyn Evans / M.d., Self - Robyn Evans / Redlands, CA / $2,500

John Lewis / Physician, Tpmg / Cupertino, CA / $2,000

Craig Ferguson / Accountant, Craig W Ferguson / Laguna Niguel, CA / $1,000

Marsha Saylors / Secretary, Tire Man / Santa Rosa Valley, CA / $2,500

Barnabas Chen / Manager, World Trend, Inc. / Pomona, CA / $1,000

Reybro, Inc. / Vista, CA / $5,000

Quality Recycling / Lakeside, CA / $2,000

Linda Reynolds / Bookkeeper, Quality Recylcing / Escondido, CA / $2,000

Calvary Chapel Of Costa Mesa, Inc / Santa Ana, CA / $9,000

Mont Flora / Manager, Liberty Heating & Air / Laguna Hills, CA / $5,000

Robert Eakin / Tutor, Mobile Math Tutoring / Carmichael, CA / $3,000

Chuck Musselwhite / Pastor, The Village Chapel / Lompoc, CA / $1,000

Nicole Whitman / Administrator, Greystar / Thousand Oaks, CA / $1,200

Brian Sprague / Analyst, Dept. Of Energy / Fair Oaks, CA / $1,000

Phillip Fletcher / Dentist, Phillip Fletcher, Dds / Redwood City, CA / $1,000


Lin Whatcott/ Accountant, Davita Inc. / Maple Valley, WA / $10,005

Adam Smith /Cpa, Pwc / Santa Ana, CA /$4,000

Marty Walker / Pastor, The Sanctuary / Santa Clarita, CA / $2,500

Michael Lee / Attorney, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher / Sierra Madre, CA /

$1,000

Donovan Sanchez / Food Services, Mtc Dining Services / Fairfield, CA /

$1,000

David Watts / Engineer, Aeris Communications / Morgan Hill, CA / $2,000

Daniel Jensen / Owner, Jensen Fasteners / Sacramento, CA / $1,000

Dan Darchuck / Investment Advisor, Ubs / Clovis, CA / $1,000

Karen Floyd / Trainer, First American Title / Newcastle, CA / $2,500

Calvary Chapel Montebello / Montebello, CA / $1,000

Scott Anderson / Executive, Zenith Specialty Bag / Chino Hills, CA / $1,000

Steven Clark / Manager, R.l. Co. / Orangevale, CA / $1,000

Janet Mahoney / Nursing, Scripps Health / San Diego, CA / $1,000

Matthew Major / Engineer, Lockheed Martin / Sunnyvale, CA / $1,000

Paul Eumurian / Engineer, Boeing / Anaheim, CA / $1,000

David Warner / Periodontist, David A. Warner Dds / Whittier, CA / $1,000

Integrated Dental Implant Services / Las Vegas, NV / $1,000

John Ludwig / Dentist, John B. Ludwig Dds Dental Corp. / Santa Clara, CA / $1,000

Craig Paullin / Partner, 14000 Avalon, Llc / Los Angeles, CA / $2,500

Richard Snelson / Accountant, Ernst & Young Llp / Newhall, CA / $5,585

Brent Griffiths / Self Employed, Brents Carpet One / Newhall, CA / $1,000

Gordon Maughan / Medical Doctor, Self Employed / Palos Verdes Estates, CA / $1,000

Scott L. Larson / Mngr., Scandia Rec., Inc. / Ontario, CA / $1,000

Richard Teerlink / Real Estate Consultant, Richard M. Teerlink Consulting / Gold River, CA / $2,500

Mark Warden / Executive, The Bergman Corp. / San Jose, CA / $1,000

James Elison / Geologist, Paso Creek Reources / Bakersfield, CA / $1,000

Mark E. Abel, Dds / Auburn, CA / $1,000

Douglas Myers / Cpa, Douglas S. Myers, Cpa / Mission Viejo, CA / $1,000

Dallin Large / Pool Cover Repairman, Cover Care / Los Angeles, CA / $1,000

Patrick Foley / Ceo, Rirock Technologies, Inc. / Redlands, CA / $5,000

Mark Walton / Accountant, Reading Intenational, Inc. / South Pasadena, CA / $1,000

Wikitoria Lovett / School Teacher, San Bernardino City Usd / Redlands, CA / $1,580

Lois Lafrance / Cinematic Artist, Activision / Thousand Oaks, CA / $1,000

Scott Wallace / Engineer, Carlsbad Manufacturing Corp / Chula Vista, CA /

$1,000

Steve Keithly / Vice President, Whittier Mailing Products / La Mirada, CA / $3,000

Paul Kepes / Risk Manager, Ctc, Llc / Chicago, IL / $9,900

Monica Kepes / None, N/a / Chicago, IL / $9,900

Salvatore Cordileone / Clergy, Catholic Diocese Of San Diego / San Diego, CA / $2,000

Lance Paddock / Teacher, Alvord Usd / Fullerton, CA / $1,000

New Covenant Church / Martinez, CA / $3,050

Nathan Birchall / Cfo, Ranch Capital / Encinitas, CA / $1,000

Ken Swanson / Engineer, Sun Microsystems / San Jose, CA / $3,000

Patrick Svedin / Sales, Sanofi Pasteur / Salt Lake City, UT / $1,000

Jay Mortensen / Consultant, South West Dealer Services / Laguna Hills, CA / $2,500

Edward Weaver / Teacher, Tehachapi Usd / Tehachapi, CA / $1,000

Jay Clark / Produce Dealer, A & Z Produce / Centerville, UT / $25,000

Scott Eckern / Artistic Director, California Musical Theatre / Citrus Heights, CA / $1,000

Rodney Remington / Physician, Self - Remington / Clovis, CA / $1,000

Harold Stevens / Building Contractor, Stevens Construction / Lancaster, CA / $1,200

David Payne / Self Empoyed, Muzicraft / Santa Barbara, CA / $9,550

Behrouz Younessian / Cfo, The Brass Ring Inc. / Oceanside, CA / $2,000

Robyn Evans / M.d., Self - Robyn Evans / Redlands, CA / $1,000

Todd Johnson / Dentist, Todd L Johnson Dds / Citrus Heights, CA / $1,000

Todd Johnson / Dentist, Todd L Johnson Dds / Citrus Heights, CA / $1,000

Benjamin Whitesides / Principal, Orange County Logistics / Huntington Beach, CA / $1,000

Michael Freeland / Optometrist, Family Optometry Of Camarillo / Camarillo, CA / $1,000

Stuart Watt / Attorney, Amgen / Camarillo, CA / $2,500

Stuart Watt / Attorney, Amgen / Camarillo, CA / $2,500

Drew Dellenbach / Sales, Bms / Corona, CA / $1,500

K. Melton Higgins / Ceo, Ca Bapist Foundation / Fresno, CA / $1,000

Arthur Birtcher / Real Estate, Birtcher Anderson / San Juan Capistrano, CA / $1,000

Barry Magaoay / Advisor, Lee Financial Group / Kapolei, HI / $1,000

Shelley Mitchell / Owner, Strategy Micro / Laguna Hills, CA / $1,000

Brian Mendenhall / Manager, Pendum / Lake Forest, CA / $1,000

Drew Dellenbach / Sales, Bms / Corona, CA / $1,500

K. Melton Higgins / Ceo, Ca Bapist Foundation / Fresno, CA / $1,000

Arthur Birtcher / Real Estate, Birtcher Anderson / San Juan Capistrano, CA / $1,000

Don Francis / Manager, Cbs / San Ramon, CA / $2,500

Jeff Hendrickson / Manager, Legacy Professional Services / San Clemente, CA / $3,500

John Mcgaffey / Manager, Polara Engineering / Murrieta, CA / $1,000

Mike Denning / Consultant, Ernst & Young / San Clemente, CA / $3,000

Jeff Grover / Manager, Solecon / Modesto, CA / $1,000

Lu Little / Admin Asst, Rw Little Ins Agency / Los Angeles, CA / $8,500

Robert Little / Ins Agent, Rw Little Ins Agency / La, CA / $9,500

Richard Zamboni / Manufacturer, Zamboni, Co / Paramount, CA / $1,000

Donovan Cyndi / Secretary, Gaelic Electric / Santa Barbara, CA / $1,000

Calvary Bible Church / Bakersfield, CA / $2,255

Donn Crummer / Real Estate Mgmt, Crummer Realty Mgmt Group / Santa Ynez, CA / $1,000

Ronald Smith / Professor, Biola University / San Bernardino, CA / $1,000

Helen Boltz / Chemical Plant Manager, Tressidewl-kirley / Mesa, AZ / $5,000

Myron Randall / Computer Programmer, Firemans Fund / Penngrove, CA / $1,000

Dave Barlow / Real Estate Broker, Barlow Williams Realty / Camarillo, CA / $1,000

Bohl, Nixon & Schoneman / Ventura, CA / $2,000

Jon Van Woerkom / Attorney, Aig / Roseville, CA / $1,001

Orion Wood / Consultant, Orion Wood Consulting / Newark, CA / $2,500

Frank Johnson / Engineer, Naval Facilities Engineering Service Center / Oxnard, CA / $1,000

Robert Frost / Project Manager, Ace Hardware / Clayton, CA / $1,000

Patrick Fitzgerald / Cpa, Pricewaterhouse Coopers Llp / Mission Viejo, CA / $2,000

Jon Hickman / Investment Analyst, Mdb Capital / Pleasant Hills, CA / $1,000

Scott Letellier / Sports Executive, Big League Dreams Usa, Llc / Palos Verdes Estate, CA / $1,500

Sally Lee / Vp Media, Guthy-renker Corp. / Los Angeles, CA / $1,000

John Warren / Cpa, John Warren Cpa / Uniah, CA / $1,000

Dan Lang / Attorney, J.d. Lang & Associates / Westlake Village, CA /

$1,000

Kelley Ivancovich / Farmer, Ivancovich Farms / Porterville, CA / $1,500

Alan Colledge / M.d ., Central Utah Clinic / Lindon, UT / $1,000

John Griffiths / Orthodontist, John C. Griffiths, Dds, Mds, Pc / Las Vegas, NV / $1,000

Darren Wight / Finance, Insight Health Corp / Laguna Niguel, CA / $1,500

Dana Del Francia / Ceo, Bullet Freight Systems / Anaheim, CA / $1,000

America Francis / Apartment Manager, Spieker Companies / San Ramon, CA / $2,000

Bruce Higginson / President, Awc / Garden Grove, CA / $2,001

Brian Gibson / Operations Manager, Hewlett-packard

/ Antelop, CA / $1,000

Jennifer Johnson / Manager, Coraticum Asset Mgt. / Holladay, UT / $2,500

Mark Lindgren / Pilot, Fedex / San Luis Obispo, CA / $5,000

Thomas Brasher / Insurance, Brashers Insurance Svc. / Newcastle, CA / $2,500

Jeff Nelson / Tech Support, Shields, Harper & Co. / Vacaville, CA / $1,800

David Knowles / Insurance, David Knowles Insurance / Sacramento, CA /

$1,000

Jon Iverson / Cpa, Jon Iverson, Cpa / San Jose, CA / $5,000

Michael Schield / Manager, Orpor, Inc. / Laguna Woods, CA / $2,500

Eric Schwarz / Consultant, Omni Management / Thousand Oaks, CA / $2,000

Roman Catholic Bishop / Sacramento, CA / $1,000

Schmoekel Insurance Agency, Inc / Sacramento, CA / $1,000

Eugene Van Zee / Pastor, Faith Community Church / San Jacinto, CA / $1,064

Travis Clawson / Potato Processor, Joy Foods / Laguna Beach, CA / $1,000

Aldric Porter / Co-producer, Columbia Pictures / Santa Rosa Valley, CA / $5,000

Richard Jordan / Professional, Natural Success International / Laguna Niguel, CA / $25,000

Anne Weaver / Rn, Kaiser Sand Teresa Hospital / San Jose, CA / $1,000

Janet Smith / Interior Design, Labelle Maisor / Altadena, CA / $1,000

Kevin Riches / Business Owner, Self - Riches Group / Portola Valley, CA /

$1,000

Stephen Taylor / Financial Advisor, Bank Of The West / Sacramento, CA /

$1,000

Robert Pratt / Attorney, State Of Ca. / Woodland, CA / $1,000

Susan B. Jones / Psychotherapist, Susan B. Jones, L.c.s.w. / Yuba City, CA / $5,000

Gregory Clark / Consultant, Cirrus Financial / Dublin, CA / $21,500

William Orlando / Manager, Aes Ins. / Concord, CA / $1,000

Ross Biesinger / Financial Advisor, Morgan Stanley / Palm Desert, CA / $1,000

Lise Dimartino / Teacher, Lammersvill School District / Tracy, CA / $1,000

Friends Of Ron Packard / Carlsbad, CA / $5,000

Pam Peterson / Executive, Folsom Lake Ford / Granite Bay, CA / $1,000

Iris Marshall / Designer, Hyundai Kia / Laguna Hills, CA / $1,000

Carole Waite / Teacher, Los Angeles Usd / Huntington Park, CA / $10,000

Karen Cooper / Tech, C.h.w. / Riverside, CA / $1,000

Meghann Pricer / Project Director, Century Group / Los Angeles, CA / $1,000

Kristine Kiser / Accountant, Kristine M. Kiser, Cpa / Mission Viejo, CA / $1,500

Eric Chen / Research, Ucla / Los Angeles, CA / $1,000

Thomas Butler / Real Estate, Fortress Investments / American Fork, UT / $1,000

Fang Lu / Engineer, Broadcom / Rowland Heights, CA / $5,000

Cay Pooley / Accountant, Mosaic / San Luis Obispo, CA / $1,350

David Paxman / Teacher, Byu / Provo, UT / $1,000

Tracy Pickett / Executive Support, Ladera Integrators / Mountain View, CA / $3,000

Garth Pickett / Accounting, Ladera Integrators / Mountain View, CA / $3,000

Richard Marshall / Veterinarian, Sutter Institute For Med. Resrch / El Dorado Hills, CA / $1,000

Angela Li / Software Engineer, Yahoo!, Inc. / San Mateo, CA / $1,300

Bruce Jensen / Engineer, Raytheon Co. / Goleta, CA / $1,250

Linda Reeve / Landscape Design, Self- Linda Reeve / Alamo, CA / $9,500

Ca State Council Knights/columbus / Fontana, CA / $8,889

Lasco Enterprises / Spring Valley, CA / $1,000

David Pace / President, High Valley Construction / Villa Park, CA / $1,000

Calvary Chapel Mission Fund / El Centro, CA / $2,000

High Valley Construction Co, Inc / Anaheim, CA / $1,000

Central Christian Church / Lancaster, CA / $2,490

Larry La Monica / Property Manager, La Monica Properties / Carson City, CA / $1,000

James Lee / Pharmacist, Yorba Linda Pharmacy / Anaheim, CA / $1,000

William Albert / Developer, Sares-regis Group / Irvine, CA / $1,000

William Wilson / Dentist, William G Wilson Dds / Modesto, CA / $1,000

Lisa Call / Teacher, Los Altos School District / Los Gatos, CA / $1,000

Brad Zimmerman / Grading Contractor, Quest Engineering / Tustin, CA / $2,500

Sharleen Peterson / Research Clerk, Bank Of America / Alhambra, CA / $1,000

Paul Manwaring / Ces Coordinator, Ces Seminars/institutes / Twin Falls, ID / $1,800

Linda Williams /Cpa, Ristau & Co Inc Cpas / Turlock, CA / $1,000

Keith Rowbotham / Tradebinder, Allied Binding Co / Corona, CA / $1,000

Robyn Robinson / Insurance Broker, Self - Robyn Robinson / San Juan Capistrano, CA / $1,000

Kenneth Woolley / Ceo, Extra Space Inc. / Salt Lake City, CA / $5,000

Angie Crosby / Teacher, Anaheim City School District / Newport Beach, CA / $1,000

Melanie Jensen / Insurance Broker, Sheppard & Assoc. / Orangevale, CA / $1,000

Tevita Piutau / Contractor, Self - Tevita Piutau / Ontario, CA / $3,300

Ralph Ogden / Attorney, Law Offices Of Ralph C. Ogden / Modesto, CA /
$1,000

Sarah Pack / Therapist, Emq Children And Family Services / San Jose, CA / $2,000

Neal Proctor / Appraiser, Appraisal Net / Folsom, CA / $3,000

William Obryant / Director, Unitedhealthcare / Mission Viejo, CA / $1,000

Hierbert Gillespie / Attorney, Gillespie Law Office / Roosevelt, UT / $1,000

Steven Olsen / Psi Network, Inc, President / Laguna Niguel, CA / $24,999

David M. Fenn / Contractor, Fenn-robbins Homes / Lake Arrowhead, CA / $1,000

Daniel F. Johnson Forensic Services / Canyon Country, CA / $1,000

Ashcraft Design / El Segundo, CA / $1,000

Keven D. Oreilly / Physician, Dr. Kevin Oreilly / Redlands, CA / $1,000

Eric Fors / Comm. Loan Underwriter, Bank Of America / S. Pasadena, CA /
$1,000

Jeremie D. Mckee / Mngr., Npc / Corona, CA / $1,000

Robert C. Van Sweden / Finance, Gfi Energy Ventures / Santa Monica, CA / $1,000

Bradley E. Haag / R.e. Appraiser, Appraisal Solutions / Lehi, UT / $2,000

Daniel E. Burgoyne / Mngr., Ca Dgs / Folsom, CA / $1,000

Matthew Perona / Acct., Price Waterhouse Coopers / Concord, CA / $1,500


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