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#97876 - 01/29/09 04:12 PM Re: 10 Ways Conservatives Can Fight Back [Re: Greger]
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Seriously, I would find the effort much more plausible if there were something the conservatives were fighting for rather than against. Maybe if someone can come up with something constructive that conservatism as given the country, that would be a start. I'm happy to discuss, debate, debunk, whatever points they want to bring up, but I simply have not identified a single conservative contribution since Eisenhower.
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#97974 - 01/30/09 02:47 PM Re: 10 Ways Conservatives Can Fight Back [Re: SkyHawk]
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 Originally Posted By: SkyHawk
 Originally Posted By: nancyvideo
I always thought conservatives had open minds - but I guess its easy to get that impression when one is preaching to the converted.
Mmmm.. yes, the "converted" of every stripe considers themselves "open-minded". ;\)

By assuming all conservatives are 'converted' you indicate that liberalism is the one true ideology. Not so.
Its possible conservatives base their decisions on facts and history as opposed to, say, the herd instinct.
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#97975 - 01/30/09 02:52 PM Re: 10 Ways Conservatives Can Fight Back [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Seriously, I would find the effort much more plausible if there were something the conservatives were fighting for rather than against. Maybe if someone can come up with something constructive that conservatism as given the country, that would be a start. I'm happy to discuss, debate, debunk, whatever points they want to bring up, but I simply have not identified a single conservative contribution since Eisenhower.

You've hit the nail on the head. Conservatives have been forced to play defense for decades. Meanwhile, the conservative values they stand for like less government, fewer taxes, traditional marriage, family, individual responsibility and God haven't gotten much of a hearing.
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#97977 - 01/30/09 02:57 PM Re: 10 Ways Conservatives Can Fight Back [Re: nancyvideo]
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 Originally Posted By: nancyvideo
 Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Seriously, I would find the effort much more plausible if there were something the conservatives were fighting for rather than against. Maybe if someone can come up with something constructive that conservatism as given the country, that would be a start. I'm happy to discuss, debate, debunk, whatever points they want to bring up, but I simply have not identified a single conservative contribution since Eisenhower.

You've hit the nail on the head. Conservatives have been forced to play defense for decades. Meanwhile, the conservative values they stand for like less government, fewer taxes, traditional marriage, family, individual responsibility and God haven't gotten much of a hearing.


I'd be happy if a Republican stood for that. However, their track record shows otherwise. And since conservatives tend to vote Republican that's what I go by. I don't care what people think or say. I judge them by what they do. Previous 8 years in the White House are a perfect example of what the Republican Party is today.
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#97980 - 01/30/09 02:59 PM Re: 10 Ways Conservatives Can Fight Back [Re: Greger]
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 Originally Posted By: Greger
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As a matter of fact, I'm penning Monday's column based on my experience debating liberals, and the generally hateful responses I have received to date from liberal blogs

Nancy we "Liberals" have taken quite a beating the last few years, the word liberal itself became more of an insult than a statement of political leanings. We were called Un-American and Traitors and and accused of treason, called communists and socialists and a bunch of other words I don't understand that ended with isms.
I'm hoping that the Liberals will soften a bit towards Conservatives now that George Bush is out of the picture. I'm pretty sure that Conservatives will not soften towards Liberals.
What do you think, Nancy are we gonna start getting along a little better or is the fight just going to go on? I am not an Obama worshiper, to me he is mostly just Not George Bush, which is what I have wanted for a long time. There at the end I don't think Republicans wanted George Bush either, is that any sort of a starting point for improved relations across the aisle?


There is hope that right and left can get along so long as there are forums like this. Maybe more people should remember what we all have in common instead of what divides us. We're all Americans and a house divided won't stand long.
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#97982 - 01/30/09 03:05 PM Re: 10 Ways Conservatives Can Fight Back [Re: olyve]
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 Originally Posted By: olyve
Nancy I was born and raised in Georgia. I know conservatism. My family elected and reelected Bob Barr and Newt Gingrich. That is where they live (my family I mean) in Atlanta.
I got away and live in relatively liberal Athens, Ga. (though I'm more Green. If you stick around you'll see)

I am pretty excited about you coming back and giving us good conversation too.
I never understood why I can't engage my brothers and sisters. They just get pissy.
My mother was great though before she got sick.
LOL, sweet woman would move further over to the right than she really was (of course she believed in a woman's right to choose and didn't think a gay person was going to 'rub off on her'!) but she was all about being up in arms about those taxes and welfare moms and we would have great debates.
She loved Ronald Reagan.
Good grief.

Thanks for coming back.

Olyve,
Thanks. My mother is a diehard feminist and my siblings are true blue. Unfortunately, my conservativism has caused rifts in our family which I am at a loss to mend.
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#97983 - 01/30/09 03:07 PM Re: 10 Ways Conservatives Can Fight Back [Re: nancyvideo]
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 Originally Posted By: nancyvideo

You've hit the nail on the head. Conservatives have been forced to play defense for decades. Meanwhile, the conservative values they stand for like less government, fewer taxes, traditional marriage, family, individual responsibility and God haven't gotten much of a hearing.


Nancy, I'm curious: Who do you think was the last real Conservative president - one who truly promoted the values you list?

Also - I really loved the portion of Obama's inaugural speech where he called for personal responsibility (as did many others I know.) Do you have any comments on that?
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#97985 - 01/30/09 03:09 PM Re: 10 Ways Conservatives Can Fight Back [Re: kap17]
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 Originally Posted By: kap17
 Originally Posted By: nancyvideo
 Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Seriously, I would find the effort much more plausible if there were something the conservatives were fighting for rather than against. Maybe if someone can come up with something constructive that conservatism as given the country, that would be a start. I'm happy to discuss, debate, debunk, whatever points they want to bring up, but I simply have not identified a single conservative contribution since Eisenhower.

You've hit the nail on the head. Conservatives have been forced to play defense for decades. Meanwhile, the conservative values they stand for like less government, fewer taxes, traditional marriage, family, individual responsibility and God haven't gotten much of a hearing.


I'd be happy if a Republican stood for that. However, their track record shows otherwise. And since conservatives tend to vote Republican that's what I go by. I don't care what people think or say. I judge them by what they do. Previous 8 years in the White House are a perfect example of what the Republican Party is today.


There is now a big difference between Republicans and conservatives. Republicans seem to have lost their principles. IMHO, there are 60 million people out there that didn't vcote for Obama who now have absolutely no voice, no-one to represent them. We're quickly becoming a one party country. This is dangerous.
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#97990 - 01/30/09 03:16 PM Re: 10 Ways Conservatives Can Fight Back [Re: nancyvideo]
kap17 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: nancyvideo
 Originally Posted By: Greger
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As a matter of fact, I'm penning Monday's column based on my experience debating liberals, and the generally hateful responses I have received to date from liberal blogs

Nancy we "Liberals" have taken quite a beating the last few years, the word liberal itself became more of an insult than a statement of political leanings. We were called Un-American and Traitors and and accused of treason, called communists and socialists and a bunch of other words I don't understand that ended with isms.
I'm hoping that the Liberals will soften a bit towards Conservatives now that George Bush is out of the picture. I'm pretty sure that Conservatives will not soften towards Liberals.
What do you think, Nancy are we gonna start getting along a little better or is the fight just going to go on? I am not an Obama worshiper, to me he is mostly just Not George Bush, which is what I have wanted for a long time. There at the end I don't think Republicans wanted George Bush either, is that any sort of a starting point for improved relations across the aisle?


There is hope that right and left can get along so long as there are forums like this. Maybe more people should remember what we all have in common instead of what divides us. We're all Americans and a house divided won't stand long.


I'm sorry but I don't buy this one bit. Where was this drive for working together the past 8 years when the Republicans controlled the White House and called anyone who stood in their way un-patriotic?

Now that you lost all your clout in Washington (and I mean "you" as in conservative view) you're all about working together. I say that maybe you should be quiet and wait your turn. If you don't like how we do things, I'm sure you'll have no problem convincing people to put in people of your party in 2 - 4 years.
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#97992 - 01/30/09 03:16 PM Re: 10 Ways Conservatives Can Fight Back [Re: nancyvideo]
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a true conservative is a decentralist who typically adheres to philisophical anarchy. does that describe you, nancy?
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