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#305145 - Yesterday at 04:35 PM Re: Let's check in on the cattle abusers, deadbeat grazers, wildlife squatter Bundys [Re: Ujest Shurly]
bigswede Offline

Registered: 03/25/16
Posts: 321
Yeah, that Manifest Destiny,
is probably what is going to bring America down in confrontation with the rest of the world.
You know, the one that always was and never went away during American expansionism.

Note in the Wikipedia article that the idea of Manifest Destiny was contested all through the expansion, also by notable Americans.
Manifest Destiny = Illusions of Grandeur
Cowardly men always plot to label Freedom as anarchy!

#305146 - Yesterday at 08:10 PM Re: Let's check in on the cattle abusers, deadbeat grazers, wildlife squatter Bundys [Re: bigswede]
rporter314 Offline
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Registered: 03/18/03
Posts: 6285
Loc: Highlands, Tx
what is clear is you do not know nor understand any American history. I recommend taking an American history course or finding several respected histories with various viewpoints to enhance your knowledge and understanding.

Some snippets for consideration:
the original colonies were land grants (rightfully or wrongly) from the King of England. When we signed the Treaty of Paris (coincidentally I had 13 ancestors who contributed to that treaty), each of those colonies became independent "states" and could be considered in essence nation states. It is for that reason they "manage" their own land and affairs. During the two phases of association with other states, no agreement infringed on the singular states to give up any lands except Washington DC.

In 1804 the Federal Government bought the Louisiana Purchase Territory. Coincidentally I had ancestors in the territory at the time. Note it was the Federal Government which bought the land, not any non-existing States.

In 1848 with the signing of the Guadalupe Hidalgo the Federal Government acquired most of the rest of the western territories. No non-existing state bought or acquired the land.
When states were created specified lands were retained by the federal government. The federal government has no obligation to transfer the land to the states but has on numerous occasions sold land through vehicles such as the Homestead Act.

In no way should this be considered as a complete history just off the top of my head and leaving out later federal acquisitions.

I don't know why you are indignant about federal land ownership disparity among the states. Are you mad because Nevada wasn't a sovereign nation prior to becoming a state in the United States (like Texas), or are you indignant because you are ignorant of the history involved? In either case I believe it is settled law. If you want to change the law, get your Congressman to write a bill.
ignorance is the enemy
without equality there is no liberty

#305147 - Yesterday at 08:41 PM Re: Let's check in on the cattle abusers, deadbeat grazers, wildlife squatter Bundys [Re: rporter314]
bigswede Offline

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I have always been interested in American history, although not a scholar on the subject.
The things you briefly told was known to me, not the part of your relatives.

Yes, perhaps you name it right when you call me indignant that the various states are not members of the club on equal footing.

My experiences with contacting congressmen are not of great satisfaction to me. I'll let you know if and when I decide to go that way.

Edited by bigswede (Yesterday at 08:42 PM)
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#305148 - Yesterday at 10:12 PM Re: Let's check in on the cattle abusers, deadbeat grazers, wildlife squatter Bundys [Re: pdx rick]
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Registered: 02/27/06
Posts: 7274
Loc: North San Diego County
I would think that most of the federal land in Nevada simply never had any interested buyer! The only use for it is for cattle grazing, and ranchers are free to get grazing rights for a few dollars per year per head of cattle. In states like Iowa, farmers wanted to homestead or buy land to clear and plant crops, so they did.

And most important of all, the state of Nevada has not been all that interested in buying federal land. There is no organized movement to get the state to buy federal land. Why should they?

And I think Bundy would resist paying Nevada grazing fees if they DID buy all that federal land around his ranch. So I think your point is pointless.

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