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#300081 - 03/28/17 02:27 AM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Personally, if I was health care czar, I would end every health care program including military and VA, put everybody (including illegals and refugees) into one big pool, and go Canadian-style National Health.

That's the obvious answer for all us left leaners. Somehow conservatives don't approve of it because...socialism?
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#300087 - 03/28/17 07:49 AM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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It's weird: They're all hung up on Socialism but their guy in the White House is BFF's with the former head of the KGB.

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#300088 - 03/28/17 08:04 AM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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Putin is not a socialist. He's a dictator. Trump and his fellow travelers are jealous and want to be like him or one of his oligarchs. It's an adolescent fantasy.
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#300090 - 03/28/17 08:42 AM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: TatumAH]
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Originally Posted By: TatumAH
I have always been of the opinion, that the main motivation of most of the teaparty rabble was anti-Obama racism with just enough "fiscal conservatism" thrown in to poorly hide the racist intent and appear "patriotic".

Says it's not so!! coffee

Science bears this out as well:

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice
Live Science.com
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#300093 - 03/28/17 11:12 AM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: Greger]
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I don't think they see it as socialism par se but as government interference in what should be done by free market forces

The problem is the free market isn't sentient and so does not know it should provide low cost universal health insurance for profit.
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#300140 - Yesterday at 05:10 AM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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Health insurance is not about getting somebody else (eg. the government) to pay your medical bills. It is about risk management. When you have it, you don't have to worry that you won't be able to afford the care you need.

The people who could get but don't are the same people who think they will win the lottery. Young people who think they are immortal. Older people who think they are in good health now, so they should continue to stay in good health. But we all die eventually, and almost none of us will be in good health and suddenly drop dead. That's like winning the lottery! Nice if it happens but don't plan your retirement around it. The house always wins.

Most people are lousy at risk management. We worry about things less likely than being hit by lightning twice and ignore likely causes of death or injury. It is so uncommon a skill that insurance companies have highly-trained actuaries who do nothing else but calculate the real odds of something bad happening to you. Yet another reason to pay for insurance: They know stuff you don't. Smart people recognize skills they don't have and hire an expert.

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#300150 - Yesterday at 02:21 PM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Well said, my friend. Opposition to "health care management" by right wing ideologues is not driven by a rational thought process. Indeed, if they thought about it, they would be all about providing it in a rational manner.

The only "death spiral" on display here, is that of the Republican party. It has been infected by a cancerous cabal of know-nothings who obstruct even the things they wish for. My hope, though, is that their fervent activity will kill any tax bill as well.
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#300168 - Yesterday at 08:55 PM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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I consider the republican infighting to be a real opportunity for the left to point out that they are the logical, willing to work with others, party. I just don't get it. The Republicans continue with ads on tv pointing out their superiority, etc. The dems, however, just sit there, no ads, no nuth'in. I would assume that they are awash with money given that, at the end of the Hillary run they were actually charging for Hillary signs, rather than giving them to people to put out on their lawns. Seems to me they could be putting that hoard of money to good use right now.

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#300169 - Yesterday at 09:08 PM Re: GOP at war with itself on health care [Re: Jim D (FreeThinker)]
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The GOPís War On Planned Parenthood Just Got Awkward

The azzhole who made the GOP's favorite video just got charged with 15 felonies. I wonder if they will stop promoting them now.

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Defunding Planned Parenthood was never going to be easy for Republicans: Three out of four Americans favor continuing funding for the provider, according to a Kaiser poll released last week. The 15 new criminal charges against the star of the anti-Planned Parenthood movement are only going to make that fight more politically difficult.

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