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#307987 - 08/19/18 06:09 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
I am not, however, counting on the Democrats to win the coming elections.

Trump and his GOP cohorts have lost the college-educated woman vote and the white woman vote.

There will be a Blue Wave and it will be because of women voters. smile
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#307993 - 08/19/18 06:41 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I have read about the blue wave, the specific voter categories going blue, the new candidates, you know, all of it. I have also listened to the prognostications on tv. I also remember when Hillary was a slam dunk. I have also listened to adds talking about how progressive, liberal, socialist, wonderful the dems are currently peddling. I REALLY hope they are all right. That being said, we have all heard it before and the trick is, and always has been, getting everybody off their butts and voting. In Washington state (where I live) a whole 38% of the voters voted and all they had to do to vote was get the ballot, that was sent to them, back to the sender. That was the vote that got us the Jackass, incidentally. As far as I can tell they didn't vote because there was no need - they had already won the election!

I would be a lot more comfortable if I saw ads that pointed out that the Dems have had to fix the economy after every Republican administration in memory and are not the party of fiscal irresponsibility. I have seen no ads that point out just what the Republicans have been doing in the last year+. Most of the ads, from the left are all sweetness and light, promising progressive and socialist values, etc. Bill Mayer said something to the effect that we have brought a covered dish to a knife fight. I fear he is right.

My lack of faith is not just one thing its a whole pile of things. In this forum, for instance, I have already heard some folks, ostensibly from the left, who just cannot bring themselves to vote for this reason or that, and simply not getting the simple fact is that this is a binary election - you either vote for the Jackass or not. There are no other choices as far as I am concerned but its obvious many don't see it that way. Their vote is too precious to waste of somebody just because they are not on the side of the jackass. Then there is the continuing belief that the left will win, this time around, because everybody is against the Jackass.

Everybody is not against the jackass. We are currently having a really good economy, unemployment is at something like a 20 year low, consumer faith in the economy is at an all time high, etc. If you think everybody is ignoring all of that you would be wrong. Its a recognized fact that the current administration always is blamed, or admired, for the current economy. On top of that the Jackass, and minions, are doing a really great job tooting their own horns, gas lighting with vigor, and demonizing. To discount that would also be a mistake. On top of all of this there remains the simple fact that whilst the Right continues to preach the fear that they will lose unless they come out the Left continues to crow about the inevitability of their victory. Last time it was this way people, literally, didn't vote because "they didn't need to". I realize its a comfort to believe in the unknowable (this includes political prognostication) but it just don't make it so.

I know, its easy to be a downer, whine, and ignore the wonder of it all. Sorry about that.............

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#307995 - 08/19/18 06:48 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
...I also remember when Hillary was a slam dunk...

Hillary was never a slam dunk, per numbers guy Nate Sliver. smile
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#307996 - 08/19/18 06:52 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Iwould be a lot more comfortable if I saw ads that pointed out that the Dems have had to fix the economy after every Republican administration in memory and are not the party of fiscal irresponsibility.

Me too!! Bow


Originally Posted By: jgw
I have seen no ads that point out just what the Republicans have been doing in the last year+. Most of the ads, from the left are all sweetness and light, promising progressive and socialist values, etc.

We need to bring guns to a gun-fight, not knives. Hmm



Originally Posted By: jgw
...this is a binary election - you either vote for the Jackass or not.

You either vote Democratic or you vote Russian. Only two choices. smile


Originally Posted By: jgw
We are currently having a really good economy, unemployment is at something like a 20 year low, consumer faith in the economy is at an all time high, etc...

Thank you Obama. smile
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#308042 - 08/22/18 12:28 AM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: pdx rick]
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#308043 - 08/22/18 12:34 AM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Ah, perfect: My Congressman! We've all known he was a crook for years. Great to see him finally charged. It must be my birthday!

I love how he tried to throw his wife under the bus, blaming it all on her. Ouch! That can't be very good for your marriage.

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#308044 - 08/22/18 12:39 AM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: NW Ponderer]
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#308067 - 08/22/18 03:59 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: Greger]
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The whole corrupt Republican crime syndicate party is being exposed. Wynn, Broidy, Cohen, Collins, Hunter, Manafort and Trump, to name Just This Week's miscreants. Then there are their enablers: Pecker, the NRA... Who else?

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#308072 - 08/22/18 06:29 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: NW Ponderer]
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NWP ... I have to chuckle to myself. Republicans don't care that you're offended by their corruption and certainly Mr Trump's supporters (Republican base) don't care.

It should be a part of national campaign ... DRAIN THE SWAMP TRUMP CREATED
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#308073 - 08/22/18 07:00 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: NW Ponderer]
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If Trump goes down as hard as I suspect he will then I suspect the Republicans are going to go down with him. Hopefully whoever picks up the pieces puts some hard and fast rules so we don't have to go through this again. In addition to that its really time to actually clean up gov and that includes the bureaucracy, military spending, etc. We have wasted enough on drug wars, unwinnable wars, etc. and its time to start fixing a government either unwilling, or unable, to cure itself.

When it all goes down we will either be living in a non-democratic nation run by the Jackass or one where the Republicans are completely wrecked.

Hopefully it will be the latter and then the left will be seriously tested. Hopefully they will do the right thing, practice some moderation and get the job done.

Oh, in case nobody knows - I am an almost professional class wishful thinker......

Here is a link to the efforts of another wishful thinker:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/elizabeth-warren-far-reaching-bill-192638609.html


Edited by jgw (08/22/18 08:50 PM)

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