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#307461 - 07/15/18 10:28 PM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: jgw]
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I got yer pie chart right here.

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#307464 - 07/15/18 11:37 PM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: Greger]
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Never going to happen Greger. That chart obligates those currently outside the system participate. That means education, family patterns, and by nature.... curiosity.

Can that be teached or imposed? I think not. Democracy (or even representative democracy as we now supposedly have), does indeed have a requirement of an informed electorate.

Hate to say it... but the founders wanted an elite body (educated and with land holding assets) to create and formate new laws. They did not want the “rabble” of scum that could arise from “pure democracy” to create such a body.

Or additionally in our case now to be an “informed” lobbyist.

.............Good times indeed.
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#307472 - 07/16/18 02:40 PM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: chunkstyle]
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It can and has been done. Supporting and campaigning on positions that have broad popular support is one way that hasn't been tried in a long time by the current leadership.:

Legalize weed
Medicare for all
Negotiate prescription drug pricing
Campaign finance reform
Criminal justice reform
Take the bankers and hedge fund managers to the wood shed and re-impose Glass-Steagel.
Raise the minimum wage.
Allow the right of first refusal to purchase and offer a financing mechanism for employees to buy their companies looking to be sold.

These are just a few I can think of that get the blood pumping.
Then I remember, Brent and Jesse from Non Partisan Campaign Finance,Lobby & Consultancy Co. really have their eyes on beach front property in the Vineyard this year. Never mind.

Remind me what the party has done to address issues for the common working family in the last thirty years that wasn't from some think tank.


Edited by chunkstyle (07/16/18 02:42 PM)

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#307474 - 07/16/18 03:35 PM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: chunkstyle]
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chunk,I think you quoted the Hillary Clinton platform....


Edited by NW Ponderer (07/16/18 03:38 PM)

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#307475 - 07/16/18 04:07 PM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: chunkstyle]
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She lost me at $12/hr on the campaign trail

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#307476 - 07/16/18 04:39 PM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: NW Ponderer]
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"We have been trying, with some success, to not only open the doors of the Democratic Party to working people and young people, but change the party’s rules as well. In the 2016 Democratic presidential primary, you had superdelegates exerting an enormous amount of power. If my memory is correct, Hillary Clinton had five hundred superdelegate votes before the first real vote was cast in Iowa."

A good recent interview with Sanders where low voter turnout is discussed:

Caution, socialism ahead. Be careful!........

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