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#307918 - 08/15/18 08:51 PM Re: Returning rationality to public policy [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Spain and Greece

Ma_Republican: Why not Sweden and Denmark? Norway, England, even Canada or Germany? Yes, our current health care system forces you to keep working until you get on Medicare (our version of socialized medicine). We even let the poor or people with health disasters get one form or another of socialized medicine. ACA's intent was to solve the portability problem for people who had to switch jobs or work a job with no benefits. Now if we go back to Trump's new health care policies it means more medical bankruptcies. Idiocy!

You say you only care about you and your family? What happens if you die? Should nobody care about what happens to your family? Just because you are all self-sufficient now, shortly you won't be. When you turn 65 will you be turning down MediCare? When you retire will you tell Social Security "No Thanks"? If your house catches on fire, will you not call the fire department? Do you stick only to toll roads?

If America is 50% socialist, then you are 49%. But you can't see it just like a fish can't see the water it swims in.

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#307930 - 08/16/18 12:28 PM Re: Returning rationality to public policy [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
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Spain and Greece

Ma_Republican: Why not Sweden and Denmark? Norway, England, even Canada or Germany? Yes, our current health care system forces you to keep working until you get on Medicare (our version of socialized medicine). We even let the poor or people with health disasters get one form or another of socialized medicine. ACA's intent was to solve the portability problem for people who had to switch jobs or work a job with no benefits. Now if we go back to Trump's new health care policies it means more medical bankruptcies. Idiocy!

You say you only care about you and your family? What happens if you die? Should nobody care about what happens to your family? Just because you are all self-sufficient now, shortly you won't be. When you turn 65 will you be turning down MediCare? When you retire will you tell Social Security "No Thanks"? If your house catches on fire, will you not call the fire department? Do you stick only to toll roads?

If America is 50% socialist, then you are 49%. But you can't see it just like a fish can't see the water it swims in.


Sweden and Denmark are having their own issues right now. There is actually a little bit of a tax revolt going on. Seems that they are spending huge sums of money on immigrants from the Middle East and the immigrants are complaining that they aren't getting enough while the citizens who actually invested years in the countries are seeing their services and hospitality abused.

I pay my taxes, and carefully plan for my future. If I were to die tomorrow, my wife would probably be OK. She would survive and wouldn't have to work.

Roads, bridges and infrastructure have to be maintained. Once that area of the tax expenditures starts to slip, then people start to complain, and when that doesn't work they leave (see Detroit). Medicare is a benefit I will take advantage of. Social Security is actually my money, it isn't a governmental entitlement.

I will take advantage of everything that the government allows me to take advantage of. This is why I work and pay taxes. The real protest on my part is taking everything that I can. If it is there, and it is offered, I would be stupid to say no.

Tim


Edited by Ma_Republican (08/16/18 12:30 PM)
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#307944 - 08/17/18 01:09 AM Re: Returning rationality to public policy [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Maybe you are actually 50% socialist, but just like to complain. Good for you. Collect those benefits. Participate in our socialist programs. I'm certainly going to.

And I think Sweden and Denmark are actually running just about like they always have for the past 50 years. The complaints you read about immigrants come from their far-right very small minority parties. Just goes to show that any system you have, there will be somebody who complains.

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#307948 - 08/17/18 04:04 AM Re: Returning rationality to public policy [Re: NW Ponderer]
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If there were never any complaints, I'd start trying to figure out who muzzled the people or the press, or both.
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