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#307660 - 07/26/18 05:05 AM Trump's legal woes
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Trump is fervently praying that Brett Kavanaugh gets confirmed before the rest of the stuff hits the fan. It's not all about Cohen: Judge Allows Emoluments Clause Lawsuit Against President Trump to Proceed - TIME.
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#307662 - 07/26/18 03:44 PM Re: Trump's legal woes [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I don't think I've posted this yet, but there has been a great deal of legal consternation about "why would the Trump legal team waive privilege over these tapes?" Some thought it was just dumb, some suggested that it was to muddy the waters early, so that it wouldn't be as dramatic later (something Giuliani has been hard at work doing), but I think it is much more serious than that.

One of the exceptions to privilege is if it is evidence of a conspiracy with the attorney. In other words, if the tape is evidence that Trump and Cohen colluded in committing a crime (e.g., election fraud, campaign finance violations, witness tampering), the evidence loses its privileged status. Because the tapes show at least probable cause of campaign finance violations, the judge would have had to rule on their admissability, and likely would have pierced the privilege. That ruling, and its basis, would have been public. Then there would be a public document, authored by a judge, declaring Trump had probably committed in a crime. By waiving the privilege, Trump has avoided that and can work on muddying the water before his impeachment.

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#307666 - 07/26/18 07:31 PM Re: Trump's legal woes [Re: NW Ponderer]
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How about this. The jackass is in serious trouble as he is trying to deal with his obsequious appearance with Putin and then there are all the government kidnapped, and abused, kids as well. This being the case the jackass reply is, normally, to misdirect with something that can remove those two subjects from the current news cycle. If true is was only partially successful but did soak up a bit of the cycle.

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#307668 - 07/26/18 09:28 PM Re: Trump's legal woes [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I don't think I've posted this yet, but there has been a great deal of legal consternation about "why would the Trump legal team waive privilege over these tapes?" Some thought it was just dumb, some suggested that it was to muddy the waters early, so that it wouldn't be as dramatic later (something Giuliani has been hard at work doing), but I think it is much more serious than that.

One of the exceptions to privilege is if it is evidence of a conspiracy with the attorney. In other words, if the tape is evidence that Trump and Cohen colluded in committing a crime (e.g., election fraud, campaign finance violations, witness tampering), the evidence loses its privileged status. Because the tapes show at least probable cause of campaign finance violations, the judge would have had to rule on their admissability, and likely would have pierced the privilege. That ruling, and its basis, would have been public. Then there would be a public document, authored by a judge, declaring Trump had probably committed in a crime. By waiving the privilege, Trump has avoided that and can work on muddying the water before his impeachment.


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#307787 - 08/04/18 04:32 PM Re: Trump's legal woes [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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With wall-to-wall coverage of the Manafort trial in the news, ever wonder how Fox is covering it? "Judge cautions Mueller team on high bar for Manafort conviction"; "Manafort accountant with immunity admits having reservations about tax filings"... They had a LOT of stories about immunity... I wonder why?

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#307824 - 08/08/18 07:03 AM Re: Trump's legal woes [Re: NW Ponderer]
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As the Manafort case proceeds, the Wall Street Journal is now reporting that similar charges are being considered for Michael Cohen. This should make Trump very nervous as the pattern in both cases is very familiar: rich guy under-reports income for tax purposes, then exaggerates value of assets to obtain bank loans to support lavish lifestyle... sound like anyone else we know?

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#307834 - 08/08/18 06:21 PM Re: Trump's legal woes [Re: NW Ponderer]
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doesnt apply to Savior of the Universe
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