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#311484 - 03/12/19 12:15 AM Re: The Debate: Is America’s future capitalist or socialist? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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God, I hope they approve you Loggy...prayers for best turnout.
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#311540 - 03/13/19 09:21 PM Re: The Debate: Is America’s future capitalist or socialist? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Are we going to Hell in capitalist Rolls Royce or in socialist mass transit?

Some people might think the destination more important than the mode of transport.
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#311541 - 03/13/19 09:42 PM Re: The Debate: Is America’s future capitalist or socialist? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Western civilization collapsed in 1914, as ancient Rome collapsed in 476 AD.

Read Margaret MacMillan's THE WAR THAT ENDED PEACE.

Ever since then, we have lived in an age of barbarism that shows no signs of ever ending.
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#311543 - 03/13/19 10:09 PM Re: The Debate: Is America’s future capitalist or socialist? [Re: matthew]
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Why mathew, it's so good to see you!
An end is finally in sight now, climate change should pretty much wipe us out in the next couple hundred years unless we make some pretty drastic changes.
I don't really see any changes on the horizon.
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#311554 - 03/14/19 08:22 AM Re: The Debate: Is America’s future capitalist or socialist? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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When you actually look at the carbon cycle model, with all the compartments and flows, you notice that putting carbon into the soil could actually offset all the fossil fuel burning and more. If we did that to the extent that the soil had before we farmed it to death, CO2 movement into the atmosphere would turn negative. Of course, once we got the soil saturated with carbon, it would rise again but maybe no faster than movement from the atmosphere into the ocean would handle.

It's an interesting model because it has very short, short, and long sequestration loops as burning fuel crops, soil carbon coming out over the course of decades, and limestone deposits locking up carbon for epochs, respectively. I suppose all the models are incorrect because they don't include methane clathrates bubbling out of the not-so-permafrost.

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