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#310398 - Yesterday at 04:04 PM Re: The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault [Re: rporter314]
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This shutdown, and really, all shutdowns, is an obscenity. Take the border wall, which no one really wants anyway, out of the equation. Why is the government not working? Because Mitch McConnell won't bring it up for a vote. The end result of all the posturing probably won't result in Trump backing down. Instead, I think the only way out is a Congressional veto override. That will begin the restoration of sanity to Congress which has been largely dysfunctional for decades.

Mitch McConnell isn't brave, he is a sniveling coward. He knows he can't control his caucus, so HE won't let THEM have a say. The same thing happened with Merrick Garland. He knew he'd be confirmed, so he wouldn't even let his nomination be considered. He is, in every measure, an autocrat and believes in anti-democratic policies, which is why he supports Trump. He has lost all of his moral authority and is afraid he is losing his Congressional authority. It is time to break the Hastert rule, the McConnell rule, and let Republicans vote when they want to. The same should be true for Democrats. Both Houses are supposed to be representative. If they don't represent, they should be removed, period.

#310400 - Yesterday at 05:14 PM Re: The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Mitch McConnell

Maybe he gets it.

Would a Senate (veto proof) vote be such a great insult/affront to Mr Trump, he would unleash a rage which would completely decimate the GOP? I view Sen McConnell as a competent politician, not an intellectual giant, however, I have never been able to identify who he is. He is like mercury on the floor ... try to touch it and you get too many beads to handle.

There have been numerous reports of him trying to dissuade Mr Trump from non-conservative positions, all without success. Perhaps that speaks to an inability to understand the real problem, Mr Trump's narcissism. Where Mr Trump's position coincide with conservative positions, there is no problem and his narcissism is disguised. Thus when he has a diametrical position, people appear to think they can "reason" with him, and that is their mistake.

Once they recognize the problem, they can rearrange their approach and be successful. Until they want the world on a half shell, narcissists are easy to manipulate and simply hard to live with.
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#310407 - Today at 06:49 AM Re: The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault [Re: rporter314]
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Once they recognize the problem, they can rearrange their approach and be successful.

I think they are being quite successful now. Democrats have no need to tiptoe around and coddle Trump. He took responsibility for the shutdown and everybody knows it. The longer this lasts, the worse his polling is going to be. Democrats are in no hurry, so they can wait until either he or McConnell breaks. If you pay an extortionist, he just keeps on coming back and demanding more over and over again.

#310410 - Today at 02:40 PM Re: The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I am convinced that if we allow $5Bn into a fund for this "wall", at least a billion will be funneled to Trump, or to some other vanity trophy that he wants down the road.
The initial $1.3Bn has sat unused because Trump can't find anyone to go along with his kickback scheme for a piddly 1.3 but add 5 more to that...maybe now "we're talking real money!"
Why do you think all the major good reputation construction, architectural firms are staying away?

Not to mention there is that minor detail about all those good firms being a little gun shy about not getting paid, because our CiC has a reputation for not paying people. And he is, even now, carrying that into the government sector, by instructing FEMA to cut off promised funds for California wildfire damage, and by threatening to divert disaster relief funds for Puerto Rico to fund his wall, which he might just pull a switcheroo on later as well.
Don't think for one second that he isn't already two steps ahead on what he will do with any wall money he can get his hands on. In fact, that wall money might even end up in Russian hands. Don't be surprised!

With Trump, it's always the same game of Three Card Monty, the same shell game, the same tricked out deck of cards, the same lopsided dice, the same crooked slot machine which always pays off in wooden nickels.

You came because you were told there would be steak and lobster, and instead you were handed a couple of cold Big Macs and some stale fries. Honestly, I am surprised that Donald Trump didn't make those athletes swipe their debit cards on the way out while telling them that their money would go to fund the wall. Seems like he missed an opportunity there! LOL ROTFMOL LOL
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#310412 - Today at 04:03 PM Re: The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I think it is well past time to acknowledge that Mitch McConnell is incompetent as majority leader. He doesn't represent his own party's majority, much less the country, and he had presided over do-nothing congresses most of his tenure. He can't wrangle votes, can't pass legislation, and is both immoral and anti-democratic. He'll go down in history as one of the least effective leaders the U.S. has ever had.

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