telling isnt it that two responses in this thread (me & mr(s?) wins) point to the fact that for the first time some clarity has been given on various points - unless of course we missed it.

Its a very welcome departure and much more conducive to debate. and kudos to Issodhos for continuing to be a lone individual voice in the collectivist wilderness!

no matter how poorly this thread started, it could have some value if it continues.
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
(Philip K.Dick)