Well put, NWP. This is the point at which issodhos have often crossed swords -- and he always mistates what I say.

Here is the thing, absent the state, it is who has the biggest gun. So far as I know, there is no God who grants deeds to property, it is a fictional system upon which we humans agreed eons ago to minimize fighting.

It isn't even an issue of whether the state grants property rights or not; the point is they guarantee and protect such rights which otherwise exist only to the extent one can defend them (which by the way, is true of all so-called rights, they are all creations of the state in the sense that without a state, the "right" is worthless)
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