Originally Posted By: issodhos
 Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
In other words, rights are "notional."


In other words, Rights are "inherent". How's that for a stand-off?:-)
Yours,
Issodhos


and women of course have enjoyed the same inherent rights as equals with men right? erm when were women allowed vote? own property etc. it has been the same throughout history has it? Piffle i believe is the word, even a cursory glance through history negates the notion of natural rights....

throughout history, rights have had to be fought for and won. they are not inherent, they are not natural, they are developed, fought over, ammended changed, redefined througout history.

it is often in the course of the struggle that rights are defined, refined and codified, quite often after a revolution - political or social.
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