Other than the term "Codswaddle" (a derivative of the term Codswallop), I'm not sure I followed any of the rest of your argument, Issodhos:
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Your use of ambiguity aside, America was founded on political individualism. It is quite distinct from your and others continued attempts to substitute for it the strawman of mere individualism.

There is also a vast difference between your use of "collectivist" to insinuate a "group" effort or agreement, and political collectism which is reflective of movements such as fascism, communism, and socialism.
I take it that you disagree with Phil, and some unnamed others (I suspect I am among them), but I don't know what it is you are responding to. "America was founded on political individualism"? As opposed to "mere individualism"? Where is the strawman, exactly? And are we really arguing about the usage of "collectivism"? Seriously? What is the government but a collective, by definition? Are all of those phrases like "we the people" and "the right of the people" irrelevant to the discussion? Dang... Oops, I did it again.

Sorry, I didn't mean to inject any logic or context back into the thread.
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