Fwiw
Recently reading about libertarianism

It's roots are actually socialist revolution against the slavery of the commercial industrial state

Later in USA it was reinvented based upon the core value of property rights

I mention this
Because even though the logic is bizarre
Still it seems to be one of the central issue for the bundiy
Both on their ranch
And the general idea that' fed gov cannot own land or tell locals what to do on it
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