Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: pdx rick
[quote=Senator Hatrack]Thank you showing that have absolutely no idea of Socialism is.

Pot, meet kettle. smile

At one time I was a member of the Socialist Worker's Party. When I was I read and still do read Socialist literature. When was the last time you read any of Lenin's writings? How about Engels? Do you know who Charles Fournier is? Do you know what Marx's list of 10 things that will help turn a country socialist? Here's a hint they are in The Communist Manifesto. I own a copy of it, do you?


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And why would I own a copy of The Communist Manifesto?
I don't own a Che Guevara tee shirt either.
Are you red-baiting me again? You do that a lot.

Why should own a copy of The Communist Manifesto? Because you might learn something from it. You didn't know that the progressive income tax was a Marxist idea until I told it was. If you had a copy of the Communist Manifesto you would have known that. I don't a Che Guevara T-shirt either. The only "red baiting" that is being done is in your perception of my comments. So whenever I mention anything related to Communism in my comments to you; past, present, and future, I am not red baiting you!
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Will Rogers is famous for having said, "I am not a member of any organized political party, I am a Democrat."

Will Rogers was a very funny man who did a great job of making fun of politicians on both sides of the aisle.
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My oldest brother was briefly a member of the SWP (1969-1971) and as I remember it, the total membership of the party in the United States never went beyond a few thousand people. When he went to Linda Jenness' first fundraiser for her SWP POTUS candidacy, the entire multitude of supporters fit into a residential back yard in Greenbelt, Maryland. I know because he dragged me along to the BBQ.
It was her only fundraiser on the entire East Coast.

That means that it's not much different than being a member of a local ham radio club in your area.
Current membership in the Democratic Socialists of America stands at 56,000 people.
Hell, for that matter, membership in the CPUSA was maybe a few hundred thousand at its peak.
My point is, being a member of a tiny party for a little while forty or fifty years ago does not make one an expert on left leaning politics.

When I was a member of the SWP there were about 1,500 members here in MN. So your memory of the size of the party is wrong. A friend of mine is a ham radio operator and he told me there are about 300 in the Twin Cities. They are a larger organization than you guessed it to be. While the DSA may have only 56,000 members nationwide they do have a member who is in the House of Representatives, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. That will help increase the DSA's membership.

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And that tiny Socialist Workers Party, or the DSA for that matter, does not exert an omnipotent or universal influence on leftist thought.

No, but with Rep. Ocasio-Cortez in Congress the influence of the DSA will grow.
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Did you know that the DSA dissed Bernie Sanders back in 2015 when he announced his candidacy?
Basically, the reaction amounted to something along the lines of:

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"Yawn, what a sellout."


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"Not a real socialist."


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Sorry Senator Hatrack but I hate to disappoint you when I reveal that I don't peruse a weekly copy of "The Militant" while drinking my morning coffee.

Although after three or four days of being stridently red-baited by you, I succumbed to temptation this morning and lo and behold, the lead story in The Militant this morning is about a bunch of Kentucky coal miners who were denied their pay by a bankrupt coal company, and they are now blocking the only rail artery in or out of their town.

Seems their union, the United Mine Workers of America, withered away thanks to anti-union pressure and now these workers have no recourse, despite retired UMWA brothers showing up from other parts of the country to offer support.

“We had to step up. We were robbed. They didn’t use a gun, but they robbed us anyway,” Chris Lewis, one of the original six miners, told the Militant at the encampment Aug. 7. “We have to give a voice to coal miners. We aren’t asking for nothing we haven’t worked for,” he said.


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Several retired UMWA members visited the protest July 30. “We’re UMWA members,” Stanley Sturgill, 74, and a 41-year member of the union, told the Mountain Eagle. “Those guys aren’t. There’s no UMWA in Kentucky anymore, but we’re all brothers.”


Hmmm, maybe a little bit of "socialist" union power might have helped these hard working men.
President Trump promised he would help them but I guess that was just another line in his reality TV show script.

And as a Director of Photography and film editor, I have to tell you about an old industry saying:

There is NO REALITY in reality TV.

And there is absolutely no link with reality in your perception of me or anybody on the left that I have ever associated with.

It has been over 40 years since I read The Militant. I had forgotten the name of SWP newspaper and how often it was published. That you knew it was a weekly and where to get a copy of it is an indication of your leftist leanings. As a conservative I don't know where to find a copy of The Militant. And NO that last comment is not red baiting!

As the men who are or were in the United Mine Workers of America maybe their union might be little stronger if the platform of the DNC didn't have plank in it calling for the abolition of coal mining. I do believe that the Democrat's 2016 Presidential candidate said that if elected she would shut down all of the coal mines in the country. Not that any President has the power or authority to do that.
This comment does not contain any red baiting!
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