Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The reason I mentioned the Green New Deal and nationalized health care is to point one very important fact about leftists. They are very patient. Nationalized health care was first proposed in 1904. It became a reality in 2010. It took leftists 106 years but they finally got nationalized health care. They believe that eventually communism will prevail. As with the implementation of nationalized health care if it takes 100 years to achieve their goal they don't care. They know it isn't going to happen this year but are convinced that eventually they will succeed.
If you think the ACA is "nationalized healthcare" you are either incredibly uninformed or self-delusional. We do have "Nationalized Healthcare" in this country - it is run by the Veteran's administration and the Department of Defense. None of Medicare, Medicaid or the ACA (or any of the other government-sponsored insurance programs) are "nationalized healthcare". I kinda wish we did have it. (Okay, technically, I do. But that is a different issue.)

If you wanna get all "definitional" in here, "Socialism" is "government control of the means of production." No one has seized the hospital system in the United States. Socialism is not a social welfare program, or a progressive tax system. Period. Full Stop. (No really, just stop!) That is what social democracy (not democratic socialism) is all about - ensuring that the government is providing for the "general welfare" - you know that bit in the US Constitution?! Maybe you have read and potentially own a copy? People get confused, and outraged, because it has the same root, "social", but it is definitively, categorically, and in all other ways, not the same thing.

This is what the author of the general Welfare clause meant by it.
"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress... Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America." James Madison
The general Welfare clause DOES NOT give our government carte blanche to do whatever it wants to do!
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