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Posted By: logtroll Le Shrooms - 09/07/21 12:31 AM
I have been persuaded by my good friend Le Fourreaur (English translation J. Furry) to extend my limited education and expedition in the expansion of Le Mind via the Golden Teacher, or other fungal faculty as might have a class opening. Of course, having a terminal doityerself philosophy, formerly including the maintenance of motorcycles, it is going to be an adventure in micro scale farming. Word is that the community of shroomery has a definite affinity for biochar. So much the better.
Posted By: Mellowicious Re: Le Shrooms - 09/07/21 01:03 AM
I wish you success. I watched about 2/3 of the documentary. I kind of lost interest when Andrew Weil showed up, and rather than scientifically explaining the mushrooms, it got a little, oh, what a friend of mine used to call “hippie dippy guru bullshi*t.”

Weil annoyed me, for some reason, when I first read him 25 years or so ago.

Not saying the claims weren’t true, I would just like a little more science. Me, I got nothing against shrooms.
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 09/07/21 01:21 AM
Mr. Haas has testified, I accept him as my guru. For now…
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 09/07/21 12:08 PM
Silly dramatics...

BBC article this morning

It seems at least part of my motivation comes from an ever increasing observation that humanity is nuts - I’d like a peek under the hood in hopes of understanding what drives that.
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 09/07/21 12:13 PM
Another motivation is my ever increasing understanding and respect for fungi - the role they play in life on earth, and how they function.
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 09/07/21 12:20 PM
Ask Dr. Fungi... he knows more than you do. That's ri-ight!



I'm tired of fighting the existing reality.
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 09/07/21 12:31 PM
Perhaps the ancient Greek scribe Xeroxes has some answers?

Posted By: Mellowicious Re: Le Shrooms - 09/07/21 01:53 PM
You know, log - you and the BBC et al could almost make me talk to my doctor about it. I’ve only been in the vicinity of shrooms once but I found them a highly pleasant companion.

My biggest resistance would be trading the known for the unknown - proven pharmaceuticals vs. less-tested shrooms - no, I don’t think that’s a risk I want to take.

Now, as dessert - that’s another story!
Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas Re: Le Shrooms - 09/07/21 02:32 PM
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Posted By: Greger Re: Le Shrooms - 09/07/21 05:17 PM
I reckon I've done shrooms a hundred times or more. I've eaten them raw in the fields, gnawed sun-dried bits of nastiness, made spaghetti sauce with them, brewed them into teas and Koolaid.

They're pretty nasty, we usually boiled them up fresh into a thick purple-black tea.

Coffee with sugar hides the nasty flavor better than anything else. There's a little bit of an upset stomach at first and you get a feeling like you might get sick.

Ignore it. You won't. Have a beer and wait. Smoke a joint, put on some trippy music.

I prefer acid. It's a cleaner experience. But shrooms were free for the picking in any pasture.
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 09/07/21 06:57 PM
Tried them once in the 90s. NASTY!! Couldn't choke down the solution, it was so gross. Now, taking a pill of MDMA is WAY easier. laugh
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Le Shrooms - 09/07/21 08:46 PM
If you are picking it's VERY important to have somebody who knows what they are doing at first. Poisonous mushrooms are really nasty, and you don't even know you are dying until it's too late, without an immediate liver transplant. And the chances of that are practically zero. The stems tend to turn blue after you pick them, which is a sign psilocybin is present. Drug test kits can tell you that, too. I don't think there are any poisonous mushroom species that contain psilocybin, though some are notorious for being nasty for your stomach.

Purists insist on fresh mushrooms, but it is really easy to extract the drug with alcohol. You just powder dried mushrooms, soak then for a few days in 191-proof ethanol or concentrated isopropanol. Then filter and collect the alcohol, and evaporate it. You can put the resulting dry powder in caps or even smoke it! No stomach upset, no nasty taste, just smooth sailing. Great for listening to music and sex, too.

If you are really industrious, you could capture the evaporating alcohol in a distillation setup and reuse it for the next time.
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 09/07/21 09:42 PM
Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
Great for listening to music and sex, too.
You get a porn channel on the radio? Or maybe you have loud neighbors...
Posted By: Greger Re: Le Shrooms - 09/08/21 01:49 AM
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NASTY!! Couldn't choke down the solution, it was so gross.

Concur. It's disgusting. It's also black so whatever you put it in turns black. Hence, coffee. I figured the caffeine boost couldn't hurt either. Southern-style strong sweet ice tea works okay too.

Since dosage is hit or miss you might find yourself mixing another one an hour later if you aren't getting off as heavy as you like. You guys gonna do it together? It's best to have a pal who's capable of following psychedelic conversations.

PIA, there is no mistaking this mushroom for anything except an almost identical edible white mushroom. When you pinch the stem it bruises black immediately, The ring around the stem is also black. It's a very distinct little fellow. The spores are purple-black and that's where the magic is.

The two mushrooms look alike when they have just opened, before the black spores start dropping out.
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 09/08/21 02:08 AM
Originally Posted by Greger
You guys gonna do it together? It's best to have a pal who's capable of following psychedelic conversations.
You talking to me, Willis? My wife is an old hand, as for me, I’ve somehow been very light in participation in the drug culture, in spite of who I hang with. Never really liked pot, did acid once, little bit of coke and I think meth once (talk about nasty shiit!).
Everyone thought I was a stoner in high school, but I only had one hit the whole time.
My interest in shrooms really is not for amusement, I’m looking for understanding, and I’d like the fungi to show what they’ve got to say.
Posted By: Greger Re: Le Shrooms - 09/08/21 02:46 AM
The shrooms don't say anything. They just offer a view through a different window.
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 09/08/21 02:51 AM
Excellent, just what I’m looking for!
Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas Re: Le Shrooms - 09/08/21 09:32 PM
Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
Great for listening to music and sex, too.

Yes, as long as your partner isn't taking antidepressants, which cancel out the effect.
But if your partner can smoothly go off the antidepressants for a couple of days, it works perfectly.

The one drawback is, your partner's come-down period will be longer and worse than yours as a non-antidepressant user.
Posted By: Greger Re: Le Shrooms - 09/09/21 12:15 AM
I'm a little surprised Loggy is going with shrooms over peyote.

Peyote is one of the few things I never had the chance to try.
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 09/09/21 02:37 AM
Ok
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 09/09/21 04:03 PM



smile
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 09/10/21 02:51 AM
Back in the day when I was a bona fide logger in Montana, I usta go shrooming with a coworker who lived in the woods in a homemade camp trailer built on a vintage flatbed semi-trailer pulled by a 1950's Mack tractor. As it happens, many mushrooms like to proliferate in burned over clearcuts. Calf Brains and Elephant Ears are the two I remember, I'd hang out some days after murdering a hundred tree, or so, and we'd feast on scrambled eggs and sauteed mushrooms with a dessert of half a cantaloupe filled with cottage cheese. Keith (Hammer) had a banjo and I had a fiddle, so we'd entertain the squirrels and ourselves for an hour before I'd drag my tired ass home in a pink 1947 Willys Jeep.

The good ol' days.
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Le Shrooms - 09/10/21 08:42 AM
Peyote is pretty horrible. Very hard on your stomach. Puking is part of the experience. Extraction of the mescaline is very easy, and mescaline is lovely. It's 3,4,5-Trimethoxyphenethylamine, and 3,4.5-Trimethoxyamphetamine is lovely, too. Almost identical. There are lots of complex amphetamines that are fun with slight differences:

2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine is STP
3,4-Methylenedioxyamphetamine is MDA
3,4-Methyl​enedioxy​methamphetamine is MDMA AKA ecstasy or molly

All of these lack the puking part of the peyote experience, with similar psychedelic effects. Effective doses vary a lot.

The big difference is that mushrooms are legal in Washington state. The rest of these are still illegal everywhere in the US.
Posted By: Greger Re: Le Shrooms - 09/10/21 12:42 PM
Heroin is pretty well known for its puking effect too. So is alcohol. Both have remained popular over the years. I've eaten mescaline by the handsful. Often laced with strychnine which has its own uncomfortable effects.

Shrooms upset your tummy a little but it's nothing serious.
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 09/10/21 06:37 PM
Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
...3,4-Methyl​enedioxy​methamphetamine is MDMA AKA ecstasy or molly
Isn't it 3,4-methyldimethylamphetamine ?


Hmm
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Le Shrooms - 09/11/21 01:42 AM
That's not a proper name: It would just be 3,4,?-trimethyl amphetamine. The meth oxy or methylene dioxy groups tend to make it more psychedelic, Methyl groups tend to make it more like speed, anti-appetite, etc. The oxygen is the fun part!
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 09/11/21 01:49 AM
Anybody got any cool experiences to relate?
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 09/11/21 04:44 AM
Originally Posted by logtroll
Anybody got any cool experiences to relate?
To mushrooms? No.

To 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methamphetamine? Lots Hmm , cool
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 09/11/21 04:47 AM
Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
That's not a proper name: It would just be 3,4,?-trimethyl amphetamine. The meth oxy or methylene dioxy groups tend to make it more psychedelic, Methyl groups tend to make it more like speed, anti-appetite, etc. The oxygen is the fun part!
You're right PIA. Per Google:

3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methamphetamine, chemical formula of C11H15NO2 and molecular mass of 193.25 g/mol


Here is the chemical structure in 2D. I couldn't get the 3D to work. Hmm
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Le Shrooms - 09/11/21 10:20 PM
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cool experiences
A lot of my early adult drug experiences involved sex and rock n roll, to go along with the drugs. Dropping acid with my friends for a Blue Oyster Cult concert in New Orleans, followed by a three-way with that couple after the concert. Or smoking some mushroom extract with a young lady, followed by some amazing sex. My second date with my (later) first wife was fueled by mescaline followed by dropping acid the next day. (Not a good idea, but we were young and stupid.) Or going out to the desert by myself to make some peyote into a religious experience.

I'm just really glad I didn't encounter any rattlers on that last one, since that was in the very same area I stepped over a rock and had one bite my shoe later that year.

Of course that's all way in my distant past decades beyond the statute of limitations. But if I ever ran for office, I'm sure somebody would drag it out for the tabloids. That or my Selective Service "application" where I was totally honest about my drug use. (Didn't bother them at all! I got a very high lottery number.)
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 09/12/21 12:55 AM
Swiss army on something...

Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 09/12/21 02:35 PM
Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
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cool experiences
A lot of my early adult drug experiences involved sex and rock n roll, to go along with the drugs.
No mind expanding insights, that sort of thing?
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 09/12/21 03:49 PM
Originally Posted by logtroll
Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
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cool experiences
A lot of my early adult drug experiences involved sex and rock n roll, to go along with the drugs.
No mind expanding insights, that sort of thing?
For me, MDMA allowed me to be my open and receptive to people. I was shy and withdrawn prior, and once thought when I was on MDMA, if I can be this outgoing now, I can be that way when I am not on MDMA.

smile
Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas Re: Le Shrooms - 09/12/21 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by Greger
Heroin is pretty well known for its puking effect too. So is alcohol. Both have remained popular over the years. I've eaten mescaline by the handsful. Often laced with strychnine which has its own uncomfortable effects.

Shrooms upset your tummy a little but it's nothing serious.

You don't want the strychnine, or let's just say that's the unwanted hitchiker, at least as far as my understanding of it goes.
But that's one of the limitations of that stuff, which is why I didn't go as deep as I did with shrooms and the acid.

Anyway, one day I guess I subconsciously decided I'd tripped enough and in the last thirty years I've only had shrooms one more time because Karen was curious. Of course she had to stop taking her 10mg* morning Paxil for three days because it cancels out the effect of the shrooms.

She had a wonderful experience...."wunnerful wunnerful, yes frienss" (Lawrence Welk) but she very much did NOT enjoy the "come-down" the next day. So I think for her, the shrooming experience was a one-off.
But she did enjoy it and if the come-down wasn't so irritating for her, she'd probably try them again.

*Apparently most doctors think 10mg of Paxil is a tiny dose.
But....seeing as how Karen is all of 110 pounds, for HER, it is sufficient because the VERY first time, she took more and more and more shrooms and felt NOTHING. Zip, zero, zilch, nada...and it was because of the Paxil canceling it out.
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 09/27/21 10:36 AM
Pyschedelic awakening led ex-Navy SEAL on journey to save the Monarch butterfly

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When Mark Matzeldelaflor left the military more than a decade ago, he spent years searching for something that filled him with the same sense of purpose as being a Navy SEAL.

After serving a couple tours in Iraq, including as an elite sniper, he returned home and took up odd jobs — "just wandering and doing random stuff to make some money to pay the rent," he said. Then, on a whim, he said that he tried "magic mushrooms" for the first time with a friend and that the psychedelic awakened in him a new resolve.
Posted By: Ken Condon Re: Le Shrooms - 10/02/21 01:54 AM
Just found this thread. There you go again! In my younger years I took LSD (only about eight times) and except for one misadventure it was always in some very rural hiking area. The one time I took it in a social setting I regretted that tremendously. The rural hiking trips were awesome.

I just got me some cubenzies (spelling unknown) which are some type of psilocybin mushroom. I have not taken them yet but I plan to. I’m hoping it’ll snap me out of the funk I’ve been in for a while now.
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/02/21 02:22 AM
I look forward to the full report!
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 10/02/21 03:28 AM
Originally Posted by Ken Condon
Just found this thread. There you go again! In my younger years I took LSD (only about eight times) and except for one misadventure it was always in some very rural hiking area. The one time I took it in a social setting I regretted that tremendously. The rural hiking trips were awesome.

I just got me some cubenzies (spelling unknown) which are some type of psilocybin mushroom. I have not taken them yet but I plan to. I’m hoping it’ll snap me out of the funk I’ve been in for a while now.


Hey! If you want company....I'll join you. smile
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Le Shrooms - 10/02/21 08:03 AM
Psilocybe Cubensis grows all over the South on cow pies after some rain mellows them out. But beware picking just any old mushroom growing on a cow pie! You need an experienced mushroomer with you so you don't die if you go hunting. Totally impossible to eradicate, ever.

Fantastic Fungi on Netflix is very nice: I went to High School with the producer/cinematographer. The first half is naturalist footage. The second is very much psychedelic!

>8 times: Yeah, that's about right. That's when God tells you you don't need to drop acid any more.
Posted By: Ken Condon Re: Le Shrooms - 10/02/21 08:55 AM
You had mentioned earlier about trails. In 1968 I was hiking in Pololu Valley and the associated ditch trail. We (group of three) went up to about the second valley top and then my small group split up. As I was sitting there gazing about I spotted a jetliner leaving from Hilo to Honolulu. And then I accidentally coughed and that plane exploded like a kaleidoscope. I thought that was cool so I forced myself to cough again. Same thing happened. That was phuking funny and also awesome.

So then after that I was standing there alone turning my head about 160 (sorry this thing only produces degree signatures if assigned with voice to text. After about 140° I locked eyes with a feral bull of which many feral cattle are in the area. A gift from the British in the early 1800s but that is perhaps a topic for another thread. He crouched down and I was freaked. But for some reason I guess he didn’t want to match up with me and he took off quickly. To this day I still get a chuckle out of that even if it did, at the time, totally freak me out.
Posted By: Ken Condon Re: Le Shrooms - 10/02/21 09:06 AM
He did not crouch down he actually just dipped his head. But at the time it seemed as he had done so. All I know it was enough to totally startle me. And him I suppose too.
Posted By: Ken Condon Re: Le Shrooms - 10/02/21 11:56 PM
FYI

Oregon currently involved in psilocybin mental health therapy study
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Le Shrooms - 10/03/21 06:22 AM
I know MDMA is certainly useful in treating PTSD, after just a few sessions! That's way way more effective than any other treatment. It works because every time a PTSD victim retells or even thinks about their trauma, it retraumatizes them, When they are on MDMA, they can retell their trauma story without the retraumatization, just because MDMA is so euphoric. I would not be surprised if psilocybin works the same way.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/21/21 06:47 PM
I was considering adding general fungal topics to the thread, but I think it more appropriate to start a parallel thread in science and medicine. This thread seems mainly dedicated to a specific magic mushroom and I hesitate to Hijack or offtopic such a spiritual discussion to end up with compost, though fungi are lovely once you get to know him/her/they. Pronouns are pretty much useless when you have 36,000 sexes! rolleyes

I am certainly no French scholar but the google machine says that in French articles le, la, and les, refer to nouns that are masculine, feminine, or plural, respectively, and should agree. Therefor its clear that this thread title, Le Schrooms, is an attempt to foist male domination onto an entire kingdom of eucaryotes, that unlike Plantae and Animalia have no interest in gender dichotomous issues!

The correct title should be Les Schrooms!

TAT
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/21/21 09:40 PM
No... MOAR SHROOMS!

BTW, I don spikka da Fronsay, so they ain't no point in pretendin'!
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/22/21 01:10 AM
Cant get much Moar!
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/22/21 01:20 AM
Shazzam!
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 10/22/21 01:44 AM
Originally Posted by TatumAH
...this thread title, Le Schrooms, is an attempt to foist male domination...
It's a white patriarchal world, and we just live in it... coffee
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Le Shrooms - 10/22/21 06:06 PM
Le and les are fairly tricky in spoken French. Most of the time the "s" is silent, so they sound exactly the same. The rule for pronouncing the "s" is the same as the English rule for using "a" versus "an". When the following word starts with a vowel, a "y", or an "h", you pronounce the "s".

So preceding "Shrooms", or "Mushrooms", or even "Fungi", "Le" would sound the same as "Les".
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/22/21 08:33 PM
Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
So preceding "Shrooms", or "Mushrooms", or even "Fungi", "Le" would sound the same as "Les".
See, that's what happened. I was posting using voice recognition...
Posted By: Ken Condon Re: Le Shrooms - 10/22/21 10:57 PM
Then, of course, there’s always Les McCann:

Posted By: Greger Re: Le Shrooms - 10/22/21 11:30 PM
Daaaaaaamn! I cranked it up for that.


Regarding the fungi, that would be le champignon.
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/22/21 11:53 PM
As every Fun Guy will tell you, "We are le champignons, my friend..."

Posted By: Ken Condon Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 12:34 AM
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Daaaaaaamn! I cranked it up for that.

Isn’t that a chit-kicker? I remember buying that album when it first came out in the late 60’s. It’s filed away somewhere in my LP collection but I haven’t dug it out in quite some time. I remembered it when this Le and Les discussion began.

For the performance that was the first time Benny Bailey (the trumpet player) ever played with them. Benny Bailey was usually a big band trumpet player. He left for Europe in the late 50s, as did a number of US musicians and artistic types, and never returned.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 12:51 AM
Oh Gawd!
All I did was correct a pronoun, not realizing that it could release the KRACKIN!
AND Les Misérables

TAT
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 12:54 AM
Moar Miserables, you Mean?
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 12:59 AM
Originally Posted by logtroll
Moar Miserables, you Mean?

Les is Moar! grin
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 01:03 AM
Moar or less…
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 01:04 AM
what a mess
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 01:08 AM
Messy beaucoup.
Posted By: Ken Condon Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 01:19 AM
We suffer from ADHD here. We try to stay on thread but it doesn’t always succeed. Although it is always well intentioned.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 01:27 AM
We're all Benzos on this bus!
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 03:28 AM
‘Shrooms! Shamans! Kosher LSD! Why Los Angeles Is Suddenly Tripping Out

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...as it happens, Los Angeles is currently in the grip of a psychedelics fervor not seen since Jim Morrison ambled his way down the Venice Beach boardwalk in the 1960s. Every weekend, dozens, possibly hundreds, of ayahuasca ceremonies take place in the hills, valleys, and strip malls of Southern California. So many people are now experimenting with ayahuasca (a psychoactive brew long used by South American indigenous tribes as part of ceremonial spiritual healing) that there’s concern the ingredients required to create the potion are being over harvested. But it’s not just ayahuasca—there are events for psilocybin, DMT, ibogaine, LSD, and MDMA.

Sounds like I need to book a flight to El Lay, stat.

laugh
Posted By: Ken Condon Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 05:19 AM
DMT is some weird stuff. I never tried it but I knew some people who did.

Most regretted it.
Posted By: Ken Condon Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 05:23 AM
Although who knows if it was really DMT they took. It’s not like it was synthesized by Merck or anyone like that.
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 07:12 AM
I knew it was DET, DMT's big brother, because I knew the guy who made it so many any decades ago. (Long past the Statute of Limitations.) He nearly burned down his lab throwing used Lithium Aluminum Hydride in the thrash can when the final reduction was finished. That stuff catches on fire when it contacts air OR water! He had some ethylamine (instead of methylamine), hence DET.

You had to smoke a crystal, and it tasted pretty horrible. But instead of a five minute acid trip, it was more like 15 minutes. I had taken LSD and various other interesting drugs at that point, so it was fun. A hell of a lot more fun than ayahuasca, which almost always starts with technicolor projectile vomiting. So much fun, I smoked it all up over the course of a couple of months.

I don't know of any other drug that you have to smoke, is like an acid trip, and only lasts five minutes. So I bet their DMT was real.
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 01:05 PM
Originally Posted by Ken Condon
Then, of course, there’s always Les McCann:


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Compared to What

I love the lie and lie the love
A-Hangin' on, with push and shove
Possession is the motivation
that is hangin' up the God-damn nation
Looks like we always end up in a rut (everybody now!)
Tryin' to make it real, compared to what? C'mon baby!
Slaughterhouse is killin' hogs
Twisted children killin' frogs
Poor dumb rednecks rollin' logs
Tired old lady kissin' dogs
I hate the human love of that stinking mutt (I can't use it!)
Try to make it real, compared to what? C'mon baby now!
The President, he's got his war
Folks don't know just what it's for
Nobody gives us rhyme or reason
Have one doubt, they call it treason
We're chicken-feathers, all without one nut. God damn it!
Tryin' to make it real, compared to what? (Sock it to me)
Church on Sunday, sleep and nod
Tryin' to duck the wrath of God
Preacher's fillin' us with fright
They all tryin' to teach us what they think is right
They really got to be some kind of nut (I can't use it!)
Tryin' to make it real, compared to what?
Where's that bee and where's that honey?
Where's my God and where's my money?
Unreal values, crass distortion
Unwed mothers need abortion
Kind of brings to mind ol' young King Tut (He did it now)
Tried to make it real, compared to what?!
Tryin' to make it real, compared to what?
Donald Dean, Leroy Vinnegar, Benny Bailey, Eddie Harris
Posted By: Ken Condon Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 02:12 PM
We have an annual mushroom festival in our neck at the end of every October at a county park named Mount Pisgah. I’ve never been to it before and I am going to miss it yet again as it is sold out. frown Ya snooze ya lose. I’ve only gone shrooming a few times in our woods, always getting chanterelles which are plentiful.

The following is a link to the festival. I shall try to attend it next year as this sounds like something I could get interested in. And hopefully by then this damn Covid business will be in the rearview mirror.

Mt. Pisgah Mushroom Festival
Posted By: Ken Condon Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 04:02 PM
I suppose my previous post should’ve gone into the Fungus Amungus thread. I have caned.myself 30 times seeking forgiveness. Meanwhile, I have an old time friend back in Hawaii named Wey Lin Fung. Seriously!

So of course you know where that name went when he showed up. cool

Hey, starting to get the hang of this emoji thing. I shall try not to go overboard with it.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 04:32 PM
Many Universities have mycology societies usually with a real Mycology professor for guidance. They have lectures and collecting field trips in season, which is probably much longer than our here. We have a cabin in Maine on a lake, and we have never in 30 years seen such a proliferation of all sorts of mushroom. Many are newer variants of old friends Bolets, but its a very good idea to check in with the local mycology groups as they know of new arrivals that look similar to old edible, but are NOT. None were lethal bad actors, but they warned about having enthusiastic exciting bowel experiences. Im not so up for such excitement!
Posted By: Ken Condon Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 04:46 PM
Yes indeed. A case of explosive diarrhea does not sound like a fun way to spend an afternoon. Have you ever gotten sick from eating wild mushrooms you harvested? And also do you have such a mushroom festival in your area? They sound like a lot of fun to me as well as learning a useful skill.
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by TatumAH
... a real Mycology professor ...

Not a Robo Profo loaded with AI?
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by Ken Condon
And also do you have such a mushroom festival in your area? They sound like a lot of fun to me as well as learning a useful skill.
Fungus networking - very mycelial. ThumbsUp
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 06:32 PM
My construct of what an excellent mycology expert would be has the following criteria:

#1. real credentials, but not a novice who hasnt had enough experience to make bad toxic choices,yet
#2. Old enough with enough experience to have died had he/she made a serious mistaken determination of toxic
#3. Not so old as to be having dementia, as fungi are migrating and changing all the time, and short term memory is needed to cope with changing biofungomes
#4. Is a local expert with connections to other locals! Like real estate, edible collecting is all about location location

The local society is like 50 folks. I dony know of a festival, but I havent been looking for super-spreader events lately. I have never been sick from schrooms, but Im very particular about IDs. I use microscopes to study pore prints and spore morphology, and get anything im uncertain about confirmed by experts. My liver is one of my 8 favorite organs and dont want to hurt is with mushroom toxins, though other toxins are frequently tested grin
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 07:26 PM
The liver is such an amazing organ. It just astonishes me that so many people are doing their best to kill their liver with ethanol. Such a boring toxin, when there are so many fascinating ones available.
Posted By: Greger Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 09:11 PM
I don't have a liver.
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 09:19 PM
Originally Posted by Greger
I don't have a liver.

Is that true? I thought a liver was needed to remove toxins? Can medical science grow you one? I read about one of the organs that can be regrown, and all the lab does is use a dissolvable skeletal structure and use your stem cells, then grow you a new one.

Hmm
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 09:21 PM
Yes, it IS the liver which can be regrown using your stem cells.

smile
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 09:43 PM
Originally Posted by Greger
I don't have a liver.
I hate liver, warm liver leaves me cold. I hate liver, I'll never eat it when I grow old...
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 10:56 PM
Originally Posted by logtroll
Originally Posted by Greger
I don't have a liver.
I hate liver, warm liver leaves me cold. I hate liver, I'll never eat it when I grow old...
I've never had it . I don't want to find out if I like it or hate it. I've been in a house that was cooking liver - I got a sense of the stuff that way. smile
Posted By: Greger Re: Le Shrooms - 10/23/21 11:46 PM
I had HepC for over 40 years and drank heavily the whole time, diagnosed with cirrhosis, took the medicine, quit drinking for 7 years and the liver is good as new.

But I still have to treat it like it's shot.
Posted By: Ken Condon Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 12:43 AM
You are a good man Gregor so you better hang in there for a while yet. I mean, who else could we use for our resident curmudgeon? That being said glad you could hear that Les McCann song. Seriously.

It was a good tune, so was his group back in the day.
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 12:56 AM
Originally Posted by Ken Condon
...who else could we use for our resident curmudgeon....
True. We haven't seen Cousin-It for while now. frown
Posted By: Ken Condon Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 01:06 AM
Then again going off topic but hey that’s what I do. My dad liked to eat steak and kidney pie. My mother, bless her heart, knew we (meaning me and my sister) hated it. So she did not make us eat it, rather she made it specifically for dear old dad. Sometimes when she was cooking it I would come home from school and smell the kidneys frying in the cast-iron pan. It smelled like somebody pissed in the frying pan and reduced it down to nothing.

God damn that was disgusting.

I’ll fill you in on the liver snd onions sometime later. I know you are all waiting with bated breath for that one…..,
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 01:58 AM
A senior mentor of mine in kidney pathology went over to England and figured it was his duty as a kidney specialist that he should try steak and kidney pie. He said "It was distinctly uriniferous!" Pathologist arent really into eating organ meats, it way to much like work. Many pathology interns turn vegetarian for a while, as walking past the Kroger's meat display was similar to work. Its fun eating with pathologists when they point out that little scar in your steak and start running through the differential diagnosis for it. Tumor, abscess, parasite etc, or just trauma. Weight loss is common in Pathology residents.
Dont even get me started on chitlins...
Posted By: pdx rick Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 02:15 AM
Originally Posted by TatumAH
...organ meats....
My background is in the food sciences. In our field, the term is varietal meats. "Organ meats" is just so Hannibal Lector gobsmacked
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 02:19 AM
Body parts da jour!
We had all the fixings for haggis, except for the highly necessary Scotch!
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 02:31 AM
Originally Posted by TatumAH
…highly necessary Scotch!
For your tapeworm?
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 03:21 AM
A very long lost rhyming relative Diphyllobothrium-latum parvum

Diphyllobothrium latum

[Linked Image from researchgate.net]
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 09:57 AM
The most amazing thing about livers is how they can regenerate, if you just give them a chance. They can take a single lobe from a living related donor, and that will keep the recipient alive and grow into a full-sized liver. The donor's remaining liver lobes also grow back into full-size.

I went on an Aleutian Island expedition on a Scripps Institute research ship many years ago, to look at harbor seal kidneys and their reaction to 45 minute dives with no blood flow. The surgeon (and transplant pioneer) I was working for didn't like the fact the seals the Fish and Game hunters were shooting were "going to waste". So he collected some livers along with the kidneys we wanted to study. Then he had the ship's cook prepare them. He and the other chief investigator ate them for dinner. I passed.

But rumaki is actually pretty tasty: That's water chestnut and chicken liver, wrapped in bacon, and broiled. I think the key is a lot more bacon than liver!
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 11:49 AM
Sounds tasty! My earlier post about hating liver was recollected lyrics from some song long ago - I think it was Alvin and the Chipmunks. I tried to find a youtube but failed… sorry.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 03:43 PM
Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
So he collected some livers along with the kidneys we wanted to study. Then he had the ship's cook prepare them. He and the other chief investigator ate them for dinner. I passed.

But rumaki is actually pretty tasty: That's water chestnut and chicken liver, wrapped in bacon, and broiled. I think the key is a lot more bacon than liver!

It take a whole lot of bacon to wrap a Harbor Seal, even the livers and kidneys. You are what you eat, and you pretty much taste like what you eat too. So, including their own disgusting taste and texture seal livers and kidneys would likely taste very fishy, which might be OK if you like old fish.
Some National geographic scientist ( or maybe Farley Mowat) found a frozen/dead penguin egg and decided to have a penguin omelet for breakfast. I think is was a bit greenish and tasted essentially like anchovies. It required the consumption of much of their medicinal ethanol supply to finish eating it. Breakfast of champignons, it was not!
Similar problem arose when some pork ranchers tried feeding them trash fish! Better have some lemon with your poke chop. Why is lemon so favored with fish? The acid in citrus neutralizes the fishy volatile amines from degenerating fish flesh by converting them non-volatile amino salts, so that it appears fresh! sick

TAT

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Also from elsewhere: [quote]Generally, the egg of a bird has the flavor of the main component of the birds’ diet. Penguin diet is fish.
Short answer? Penguin eggs taste like fish.
I used to have a cookbook that had an entire section devoted to eggs. How to prepare everything from emu eggs (crack the egg into a bowl, let rest overnight in the fridge, and pour off the oil) up to and including penguin eggs. The entry for penguin eggs said that IF YOU ARE OUT OF ANCHOVIES, USE COOKED, CHOPPED PENGUIN EGGS AS AN ALTERNATIVE.

oooh, Kay.
Posted By: Greger Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 03:45 PM
I credit the re-generation of my liver with my love for fried chicken livers.

Offal meat like sweetbreads, brains, and livers are all good! Chitlins, tripe, and mountain oysters!

Hearts are the beefiest beef on the animal! Tongue the tenderest!

But kidneys...??

Just nope.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 03:49 PM
And, rubbery prostates would be just like rubbery gizzards, as both are mostly smooth muscles!
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 04:15 PM
Originally Posted by logtroll
Sounds tasty! My earlier post about hating liver was recollected lyrics from some song long ago - I think it was Alvin and the Chipmunks. I tried to find a youtube but failed… sorry.

Maybe it was lovers not livers!
Couldnt find livers even in Chipmunk Punk!
Posted By: Greger Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 04:47 PM
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And, rubbery prostates would be just like rubbery gizzards, as both are mostly smooth muscles!
I'd have to take your word for that.

I mean...I got nothing against eating ass, but I never went that deep.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 06:24 PM
Every culture has it's limits! rolleyes


TAT
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 08:04 PM
Originally Posted by Greger
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And, rubbery prostates would be just like rubbery gizzards, as both are mostly smooth muscles!
I'd have to take your word for that.

I mean...I got nothing against eating ass, but I never went that deep.

Thanks for that tip! grin
It reminded me that I needed to go and aerate my piles! rolleyes
Compost piles that is, after all I most certainly wouldn't want to go offtopic on a MOD!
I use the rototiller for these piles, that might be a bit of overkill on the piles where the sun dont shine!
TAT
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 08:17 PM
The usual implement is a pitchfork...
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Le Shrooms - 10/24/21 09:11 PM
What could possibly go MOAR worng?
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/25/21 12:04 AM
Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
The usual implement is a pitchfork...
For piles? Ouchie!
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/25/21 12:06 AM
Originally Posted by TatumAH
I most certainly wouldn't want to go offtopic on a MOD!
He ain't no MOD - he old-school...
Posted By: logtroll Re: Le Shrooms - 10/25/21 12:07 AM
Originally Posted by TatumAH
Had a javelina do something like that to our favorite Jack Russell terrier oncet.
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