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The date, location and purpose of the first Thanksgiving celebration are topics of some disagreement.
In the United States

Massachusetts

While not the first thanksgiving of any sort on the continent, the traditional origin of modern Thanksgiving in the United States is generally regarded to be the celebration that occurred at the site of Plymouth Plantation, in Massachusetts in 1621. This celebration occurred early in the history of what would become one of the original Thirteen Colonies that later were to become the United States. This Thanksgiving was modeled after harvest festivals that were commonplace in Europe at the time. According to historian Jeremy Bangs, director of the Leiden American Pilgrim Museum, the Pilgrims may have been influenced by watching the annual services of thanksgiving for the relief of the siege of Leiden in 1574, while they were staying in Leiden.[2]

Florida

Author and teacher Robyn Gioia and Michael Gannon of the University of Florida have argued that the earliest attested "thanksgiving" celebration in what is now the United States was celebrated by the Spanish on September 8, 1565 in what is now Saint Augustine, Florida.[3][4]

Virginia

A day of thanksgiving was codified in the founding charter of Berkeley Hundred in Charles City County, Virginia in 1619.[5]
In Canada

Newfoundland

The history of Thanksgiving in Canada goes back to an explorer, Martin Frobisher, who had been trying to find a northern passage to the Pacific Ocean. Frobisher's Thanksgiving celebration was not for harvest, but for homecoming. He had safely returned from a search for the Northwest Passage, avoiding the later fate of Henry Hudson and Sir John Franklin. In the year 1578, Frobisher held a formal ceremony in Newfoundland to give thanks for surviving the long journey.[6]

New France

French settlers who came to New France with explorer Samuel de Champlain in the early 17th century also took to celebrating their successful harvests. They even shared their food with the indigenous people of the area as well as setting up what became known as the "Order of Good Cheer."[7]

Other influences

As many more settlers arrived in Canada, more celebrations of good harvest became common. New immigrants into the country, such as the Irish, Scottish and Germans, would also add their own harvest traditions to the harvest celebrations. Most of the American aspects of Thanksgiving (such as the turkey) were incorporated when United Empire Loyalists began to flee from the United States during the American Revolution and settled in Canada.[7]
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And for more try Deconstructing the Myths of the "First Thanksgiving"




And then there is Black Friday:

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Have a great week, a Happy Thanksgiving and above all share your blessings and make love to the world
...from Phil's link of "Deconstructing the Myth of the 'First Thanksgiving'":

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...Both the Separatists and Puritans were rigid fundamentalists who came here fully intending to take the land away from its Native inhabitants and establish a new nation, their �Holy Kingdom.�
Rigid fundamentalists? Not much has changed in nearly 389 years has it? smile

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The Plimoth colonists were never concerned with �freedom of religion� for anyone but themselves.
Truly, nothing has changed in 389 years. laugh
Fer Chrissake Rick! Thanksgiving is the one holiday I actually enjoy. Please don't ruin that by injecting reality into the picture. I need one illusion I can cling to as I accelerate on my downhill slide.
Originally Posted by california rick
...from Phil's link of "Deconstructing the Myth of the 'First Thanksgiving'":

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...Both the Separatists and Puritans were rigid fundamentalists who came here fully intending to take the land away from its Native inhabitants and establish a new nation, their �Holy Kingdom.�
Rigid fundamentalists? Not much has changed in nearly 389 years has it? smile

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The Plimoth colonists were never concerned with �freedom of religion� for anyone but themselves.
Truly, nothing has changed in 389 years. laugh

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Phil~wonderful opener.I enjoyed the music, and all the clips. We donate to Angel Food Ministries, as well as my church's food pantry. It is needed even more than ever in these times. Please be generous in both time and money/food.
Originally Posted by Scoutgal
Ah, the Pilgrims...some of the earliest illegal aliens. [Linked Image]
Impossible. There were not borders to cross illegally, no government set-up to hide from, and no jobs that Pilgrim 'wouldn't do."

The attempt to invoke some witticism into the thread simply fell flat and comes across as painfully droll.

Comedy isn't for everybody - unless, of course, cutting and pasting someone else's words, apply. coffee
Rick your thinking is so very myopic about "borders", etc. The tribes of the area most certainly had their version of borders, considered territory as "theirs" and often defended the same against incursions by other peoples.

That they welcomed the European invaders speaks to their high morality, despite the lack thereof on the part of the invaders.

Secondly, Scoutgal's sense of humor is just fine, and yours appears to be on hiatus this morning.

Thirdly, as for cut and paste humor:
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The light turned yellow, just in front of him. He did the right thing, stopping at the crosswalk, even though he could have beaten the red light by accelerating through the intersection.

The tailgating woman was furious and honked her horn, screaming in frustration, as she missed her chance to get through the intersection, dropping her cell phone and makeup.

As she was still in mid-rant, she heard a tap on her window and looked up into the face of a very serious police officer. The officer ordered her to exit her car with her
hands up. He took her to the police station where she was searched, fingerprinted, photographed, and placed in a holding cell.

After a couple of hours, a policeman approached the cell and opened the door. She was escorted back to the booking desk where the arresting officer was waiting with her personal effects.

He said, ''I'm very sorry for this mistake. You see, I pulled up behind your car while you were blowing your horn, flipping off the guy in front of you and cussing a blue
streak at him. I noticed the 'What Would Jesus Do' bumper sticker, the 'Choose Life' license plate holder, the 'Follow Me to Sunday-School' bumper sticker, and the chrome-plated Christian fish emblem on the trunk, so naturally...

I assumed you had stolen the car.''

Priceless
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Originally Posted by Phil Hoskins
Rick your thinking is so very myopic about "borders", etc. The tribes of the area most certainly had their version of borders, considered territory as "theirs" and often defended the same against incursions by other peoples.

That they welcomed the European invaders speaks to their high morality, despite the lack thereof on the part of the invaders.
The Pilgrims did not attempt to blend in to the Wampanoag village of Pawtuxet and attempt to go unnoticed, nor work among the native americans and perform duties that the native americans refused to do themselves - allegedly.

There in lies the difference(s). Hmm


...and yes, it is true, I do not find illegal immigration to be a humorous topic. My bad.
No, rick they did not try to assimilate, they just kicked the natives out and took their land. Is that really better in your book?

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The original natives of Australia are still welcoming the immigrants to their land.
Originally Posted by Phil Hoskins
No, rick they did not try to assimilate, they just kicked the natives out and took their land. Is that really better in your book?
Perhaps Scout was correct, all along... Hmm

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Originally Posted by numan
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The original natives of Australia are still welcoming the immigrants to their land.

ROTFMOL
Originally Posted by california rick
Originally Posted by Phil Hoskins
No, rick they did not try to assimilate, they just kicked the natives out and took their land. Is that really better in your book?
Perhaps Scout was correct, all along... Hmm

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I know the Chumash, the Anasazi, Hopis and Navajos, etc think so. And just to let you know, rick, the Native Americans, at the time of the Pilgrims(and even today), did and do have their own government. That it is not run in the way of the Europeans/present day USA doesn't make it not so. Maybe you could do with refresher course in American history, especially from the Native American Studies point of view. [Linked Image]
Scoutgal:

Are you sure about the Anasazis? I thought they disappeared circa 900 years ago.
Originally Posted by Scoutgal
...[a] refresher course in American history, especially from the Native American Studies point of view. [Linked Image]
...as if high school even teaches the native american POV. rolleyes
Rick, I don't think you need to return to high school, I'm not even sure someone of your advanced age would be admitted as a student. The conquering and genocide of the Indian Nations from the very first influx of Religious Fanatics to the wanton slaughter of the Buffalo herds to starve out the plains tribes continues to this day as Native Americans are often forced by circumstances to live in poverty on the Reservations set aside for them. Their laws and customs were totally ignored by the illegal immigrants from Europe. To now pretend to hold some high ground because we have conquered them and reduced their nations to ashes is more than a little hypocritical.
The information is out there for anyone who chooses to learn about it.

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The civilization of the Indian is impossible while the buffalo remains upon the plains. I would not seriously regret the total disappearance of the buffalo from our western prairies, in its effect upon the Indians, regarding it as a means of hastening their sense of dependence upon the products of the soil and their own labors.
--Annual Report of the Department of the Interior
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Pile of Buffalo Skulls
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Our Mexican "illegals" are just trying to civilize the unruly and warlike European Americans.
Originally Posted by churlpat lives
Scoutgal:

Are you sure about the Anasazis? I thought they disappeared circa 900 years ago.

I'm sure that the Anasazi were there before the Spanish or the Mexicans. But they became the ancestors of later Native American tribes.
Originally Posted by california rick
Originally Posted by Scoutgal
...[a] refresher course in American history, especially from the Native American Studies point of view. [Linked Image]
...as if high school even teaches the native american POV. rolleyes


Rick~if you reread my post, I didn't even mention high school. But I'm sure that you could find the subject on the internet. BTW~Native American Studies are usually taught at the college level. And people of all ages can attend.
KCET, the Los Angeles premier PBS member station, has decided to break away from the public broadcasting network and become an independent station. Starting in January, station officials intend to replace the PBS fare with news and documentaries from Japan, Canada and elsewhere, along with old feature films. The drastic move comes after a months-long battle over the dues KCET must pay the national organization.

Read more at TV News Check.org


Tsk, tsk, like a faded silent movie star, Los Angeles - the land of amusement parks and cement - is losing its cultural luster and being replaced as the land of fake'n'bake for tourists who seek boubbleheads and tschotskes. Hmm


Rick, as wrong-headed as KCET's decision appears to be to me, we have two other PBS affiliates in Los Angeles, so hold the gleeful judgment, please.
Rick's just gotta be a H8er, lately. rolleyes
If you are 45, or older, you might think this is hilarious!

When I was a kid, adults used to bore me to tears with their tedious diatribes about how hard things were. When they were growing up; what with walking twenty-five miles to school every morning.... Uphill... Barefoot...BOTH ways. Yadda, yadda, yadda

And I remember promising myself that when I grew up, there was no way in hell I was going to lay a bunch of crap like that on my kids about how hard I had it and how easy they've got it!

But now that I'm over the ripe old age of forty, I can't help but look around and notice the youth of today. You've got it so easy! I mean, compared to my childhood, you live in a damn Utopia!


And I hate to say it, but you kids today, you don't know how good you've got it!

1) I mean, when I was a kid we didn't have the Internet. If we wanted to know something, we had to go to the damn library and look it up ourselves, in the card catalog!!

2) There was no email!! We had to actually write somebody a letter - with a pen! Then you had to walk all the way across the street and put it in the mailbox, and it would take like a week to get there! Stamps were 10 cents!

3) Child Protective Services didn't care if our parents beat us. As a matter of fact, the parents of all my friends also had permission to kick our ass! Nowhere was safe!

4) There were no MP3's or Napsters or iTunes! If you wanted to steal music, you had to hitchhike to the record store and shoplift it yourself!

5) Or you had to wait around all day to tape it off the radio, and the DJ would usually talk over the beginning and @#*% it all up! There were no CD players! We had tape decks in our car. We'd play our favorite tape and "eject" it when finished, and then the tape would come undone rendering it useless. Cause, hey, that's how we rolled, Baby! Dig?

6) We didn't have fancy crap like Call Waiting! If you were on the phone and somebody else called, they got a busy signal, that's it!

7) There weren't any freakin' cell phones either. If you left the house, you just didn't make a damn call or receive one. You actually had to be out of touch with your "friends". OH MY GOSH !!! Think of the horror... Not being in touch with someone 24/7!!! And then there's TEXTING. Yeah, right. Please! You kids have no idea how annoying you are.

8) And we didn't have fancy Caller ID either! When the phone rang, you had no idea who it was! It could be your school, your parents, your boss, your bookie, your drug dealer, the collection agent... You just didn't know!!! You had to pick it up and take your chances, mister!

9) We didn't have any fancy PlayStation or Xbox video games with high-resolution 3-D graphics! We had the Atari 2600! With games like 'Space Invaders' and 'Asteroids'. Your screen guy was a little square! You actually had to use your imagination!!! And there were no multiple levels or screens, it was just one screen... Forever! And you could never win. The game just kept getting harder and harder and faster and faster until you died! Just like LIFE!

10) You had to use a little book called a TV Guide to find out what was on! You were screwed when it came to channel surfing! You had to get off your ass and walk over to the TV to change the channel!!! NO REMOTES!!! Oh, no, what's the world coming to?!?!

11) There was no Cartoon Network either! You could only get cartoons on Saturday Morning. Do you hear what I'm saying? We had to wait ALL WEEK for cartoons, you spoiled little rat-bastards!

12) And we didn't have microwaves. If we wanted to heat something up, we had to use the stove! Imagine that!

13) And our parents told us to stay outside and play.. All day long. Oh, no, no electronics to soothe and comfort. And if you came back inside... You were doing chores!
And car seats - oh, please! Mom threw you in the back seat and you hung on. If you were lucky, you got the "safety arm" across the chest at the last moment if she had to stop suddenly, and if your head hit the dashboard, well that was your fault for calling "shot gun" in the first place!
See! That's exactly what I'm talking about! You kids today have got it too easy. You're spoiled rotten! You guys wouldn't have lasted five minutes back in 1970 or any time before!

Regards,
The Over 45 Crowd
Originally Posted by Joe Keegan

Great video, Joe-I love these guys! ThumbsUp
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From the Scoutgal Family smile
Happy Thanksgiving to Reader Rant, my other family :-)
Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler
Happy Thanksgiving to Reader Rant, my other family :-)
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