Capitol Hill Blue
Posted By: Greger Mars - 02/21/21 05:15 PM
I can't honestly say that I give a rat's ass what Mars is like. It's a useless lifeless hunk of rock that has nothing of value to offer us.

A few billionaires are hoping to migrate there to an exclusive, luxurious gated community...the ultimate Galt's Gulch where they can take their money to avoid helping the poors.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/21/21 05:33 PM
Originally Posted By: Greger
I can't honestly say that I give a rat's ass what Mars is like. It's a useless lifeless hunk of rock that has nothing of value to offer us.


Butt, what about Uranus?
Posted By: Irked Re: Mars - 02/21/21 06:05 PM
I love Venus
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/21/21 08:38 PM
i hate France
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Mars - 02/22/21 02:50 AM
Is Mars really a better place to colonize that Luna? In terms of raw materials, I think they are about the same, except for sunlight. Mars has a lot less than Luna or Earth orbit. The gravity is 38% of Earth's (compared to 16% on the moon). Both probably require regular exercise in a centrifuge to maintain human health. Mars' atmosphere is very little CO2, so any artificial atmosphere creation would probably be from the rocks instead of from Mar's existing atmosphere. Besides, that just gets you the Oxygen. Even if they refined it by splitting the CO2, we would still need a lot of Nitrogen or some inert gas like Argon for habitats and excursion compressed air.

Shipping time from Earth would be much much worse for Mars. I think the combination of Earth orbit and Luna makes more sense.

Mars colonies will make a lot more sense in a 1000 years or so, when we can terraform it from space. Grab some liquid gases from Jovian planets to give it a usable atmosphere. Then plant some useful biota there to make it compatible with human life. Then we can have vacation stays on Mars as pseudo-birds, flying around under our own power. Of course, we could do that on the moon a LOT sooner, inside big domes.
Posted By: Ujest Shurly Re: Mars - 02/22/21 12:51 PM
Stating the obvious. The moon is a better target for colonization.

It is closer
It is easier to get to
we know there are resources the colony would need and what can not be found can be made from what is there
The is no risk of an inimical life form, that we know of
etc...
Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 02/22/21 01:28 PM
I always wonder why it is that we would want to colonize inhospitable faraway places (at immense expense...) crazy ?
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/22/21 02:03 PM
Yeah! Like New Mexico and Arizona where most wont have even snow to melt for drinking. As for Texas even Cruz has voted with his feet to let Texas eat cake icing.
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Mars - 02/22/21 11:35 PM
There's actually plenty of snow in Northern Arizona and New Mexico. And I really doubt the colonization of Arizona and New Mexico was financed at great expense! People actually walked there, and fed themselves by hunting on the way.

But there are some great reasons to colonize near-Earth space. Not so much Mars or any other planet.
Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 02/22/21 11:41 PM
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
But there are some great reasons to colonize near-Earth space. Not so much Mars or any other planet.

It's gonna take some specialized equipment to keep tabs on the arseholes of near space colonies - longe range colonoscopes, I think, for doing colonoscopies.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/23/21 01:15 AM
Oh, Mama, could this really be the end, to be stuck inside of Uranus, with the Neptune Blues again...
Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 02/23/21 01:51 AM
Liberties... you taking liberties.
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Mars - 02/23/21 02:21 AM
I know you are making a joke, but "to colonize" actually has a porn meaning now. The good thing about it, is that it applies to either gender. What ever the writer is in into.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/23/21 04:07 AM
duplicat post
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/23/21 04:14 AM
Originally Posted By: logtroll
Liberties... you taking liberties.


There are rules here?
I didnt see any guideline or
bye bye laws! Sorry
Think I'm gonna...
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/23/21 04:22 AM
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I know you are making a joke, but "to colonize" actually has a porn meaning now. The good thing about it, is that it applies to either gender. What ever the writer is in into.


I never heard that term used that way! So is there some Freudian interpretation for using a Sigmundoscope?
Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 02/23/21 09:12 AM
Originally Posted By: TatumAH
Originally Posted By: logtroll
Liberties... you taking liberties.

There are rules here?
I didnt see any guideline or
bye bye laws! Sorry
Think I'm gonna...

“Give me liberties, or give me guff!”
Posted By: Ujest Shurly Re: Mars - 02/23/21 01:04 PM
Originally Posted By: TatumAH
So is there some Freudian interpretation for using a Sigmundoscope?


No!, No! That only leads to the dark slide.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/23/21 01:22 PM
The sun don't shine where backsliders whine.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/23/21 01:25 PM
Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: TatumAH
Originally Posted By: logtroll
Liberties... you taking liberties.

There are rules here?
I didnt see any guideline or
bye bye laws! Sorry
Think I'm gonna...

“Give me liberties, or give me guff!”


By his fruits, yee shall know him!
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/23/21 01:51 PM
off and on offtopic

As long as we are already debating wormholes, quantum chromodynamics, and differentiating between beauty and bottom, one can only hope that further discussions of tops and bottoms does not get sucked into black holes, whose mysteries can only be penetrated by a large HADRON...

Quote:
The bottom quark or b quark, also known as the beauty quark, is a third-generation heavy quark with a charge of −1/3 e.

All quarks are described in a similar way by electroweak and quantum chromodynamics, but the bottom quark has exceptionally low rates of transition to lower-mass quarks. The bottom quark is also notable because it is a product in almost all top quark decays, and is a frequent decay product of the Higgs boson.


Guff seems to be the path forward, upward and onward, vs downward and backword...

TAT
Ironically PALindromically yours
Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 02/23/21 04:24 PM
If it ducks like a quark, and walks like a quark, it the atmosphere on Mars sufficient to allow it to quack like a quark?

(back on topic...)

(copious liberties taken...)
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/23/21 04:34 PM
sanctimonious activities forsaken
Posted By: Greger Re: Mars - 02/23/21 04:48 PM
Space exploration was cool when it was run by government for the sake of gathering knowledge through research and experimentation. Today space has been privatized. Elon Musk is going to place thousands of satellites into a near earth orbit in order to make billions for himself by providing internet access worldwide.

Why didn't government do this?

Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and others are lobbying for a Mars colony, so that they can escape the poors who made them rich. Government will pay for most of the research and development, then the billionaires can take over.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/23/21 05:17 PM
Musk plan to obstruct Astronomers

Clearly Musk's satellite fleet is designed to take over the sky, think alien's checkmate in Independence
Day. The flavor/gambit of this checkmate is unclear, but this will be able to block astronomers by shining a bright light in their faces. Check out the string of satellites in the link! The purpose, other than global domination, is to prevent astronomers from noticing the approach of the Mutha Shipt to pick him up and return him to his rightful throne as Galactic Emperor!

Butt I could be worng tinfoilhat
QATAT shameon blush

Quote:
Latency, a measure of how long it takes your internet signal to travel to space and back, will also drop to around 20ms this year, Musk added. That would be a validation of the company's strategy of launching its satellites into low-Earth orbit, which reduces the distance that those signals need to travel. That strategy has also raised red flags with astronomers worried about obstructions to night sky visibility, which is something SpaceX has been working to address with updates to its satellite design.


Astronomers complaints and display
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Mars - 02/23/21 09:12 PM
The length of time a LEO satellite is blocking a telescope, compared to the time it's not blocking it is insignificant. Those "black trails" across a telescope's data collection can easily be edited out by a little post-processing. They already do that to account for long exposures while the planet spins, moves around the sun, and the solar system moves through space.

Besides, all the good telescopes are going to be in orbit higher than those satellites.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/23/21 10:20 PM
When scientists "edit" data, its the equivalent of fake news. except for scientists it a career ending event, if caught. You cant edit data to make it look like how you know it should look, that's not an experiment or observation. The sensitivity of the sensors in large telescopes are, well astronomical, and a flash of up close light, like in low orbits, can render them useless for a while, if not destroy them.
As for writing off land base telescopes, there will be a lot of unemployed graduate students, post doc, and professors! screw them egghead elites, because Musk and other preverts need to be able to fast-forward through their porn without loosing the money shot, while touring Yemen or Tierra-del-Fuego.
Posted By: Greger Re: Mars - 02/24/21 12:27 AM
Seems like Musk plans to put 12,000 satellites in orbit. A while back Bezos was planning to put his own 12,000 satellites in orbit to compete with Musk...polluting space just like we pollute everything else.
Posted By: pondering_it_all Re: Mars - 02/24/21 10:44 AM
>career ending

That's not true at all. Telescope data is fixed all the time, but the picture and video processing is published right along with the findings. There is nothing fake about it. Land-based telescopes have to look through the atmosphere, which introduces anomalies all the time. Some advanced telescopes actually have incorporated this correction for atmospheric disturbances into the optical hardware!

Yes, a bright flash can knock out an image sensor for as long as that light is being received. It usually smears into adjacent pixels when a lot of charge is dissipated quickly. But CCD detectors work by charging the individual pixel sensors at each refresh, and then light falling on those CCD elements discharges the voltage proportionally to the brightness. It can't be discharged to below zero.

But really, how bright would the sun's reflection off a small satellite be from a few thousand miles away? If they use long exposures, adjacent brighter stars are going to give you light smear artifacts anyway.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/24/21 02:46 PM
Artists can freely manipulate images at will, but there are very strict limitations on "scientific" data.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_misconduct scientific misconduct
Quote:
Photo manipulation

Compared to other forms of scientific misconduct, image fraud (manipulation of images to distort their meaning) is of particular interest since it can frequently be detected by external parties. In 2006, the Journal of Cell Biology gained publicity for instituting tests to detect photo manipulation in papers that were being considered for publication.[23] This was in response to the increased usage of programs such as Adobe Photoshop by scientists, which facilitate photo manipulation. Since then more publishers, including the Nature Publishing Group, have instituted similar tests and require authors to minimize and specify the extent of photo manipulation when a manuscript is submitted for publication. However, there is little evidence to indicate that such tests are applied rigorously. One Nature paper published in 2009[24] has subsequently been reported to contain around 20 separate instances[25] of image fraud.

Although the type of manipulation that is allowed can depend greatly on the type of experiment that is presented and also differ from one journal to another, in general the following manipulations are not allowed:[citation needed]

splicing together different images to represent a single experiment
changing brightness and contrast of only a part of the image
any change that conceals information, even when it is considered to be aspecific, which includes:
changing brightness and contrast to leave only the most intense signal
using clone tools to hide information
showing only a very small part of the photograph so that additional information is not visible

Image manipulations are typically done on visually repetitive images such as those of western blots, histologies or data visualisations like graphs.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/24/21 02:56 PM
Musk starlink threating radio astronomy

Not only does starlink impair wide field optical astronomy, but these satellites dont phone home telepathically, they use radio signals that encroach on the radio frequencies studied by radio astronomers.
This was considered before they launched these, but there they are, and there are big plans for many more.


Quote:

Starlink already threatens optical astronomy. Now, radio astronomers are worried

By Daniel CleryOct. 9, 2020 , 2:25 PM

The 197 radio astronomy dishes of the Square Kilometre Array (SKA) in South Africa will sit within a radio-quiet zone the size of Pennsylvania where even a cellphone is forbidden, to preserve the array’s views of the heavens. Yet that precaution won’t save the telescope, due to be completed in the late 2020s, from what may soon be overhead: tens of thousands of communications satellites beaming down radio signals straight from the heavens. “The sky will be full of these things,” says SKA Director General Phil Diamond.

The rocket company SpaceX has already launched hundreds of Starlink satellites, the first “megaconstellation” intended to provide internet service to remote areas. The satellites have aroused the ire of optical astronomers because of the bright streaks they leave across telescopes’ fields of view. Now, radio astronomers are worried, too. This week, SKA released an analysis of the impact that Starlink and other constellations would have on the array. It finds they would interfere with one of the radio channels SKA plans to use, hampering searches for organic molecules in space as well as water molecules used as a key marker in cosmology.
Posted By: Irked Re: Mars - 02/25/21 01:32 AM
As a wisegor just said (I paraphrase): Why would anyone expect different? We’re all about trashing the Earth, of course we’re going to trash space.
Posted By: Irked Re: Mars - 02/25/21 01:36 AM
Sort of offtopic

The Norwegian Green movement has a new tagline (translated): The Earth: treat it as if you had to live there.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/25/21 01:57 AM
Kan kun være malet af en gal Mand!


Welcome to Munchkin Land
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/25/21 02:12 AM
Opps Mars thread not OZ! crazy

TAT
Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 02/25/21 01:53 PM
How to hold a map on the wall in your den on the red planet?

Use marza tacks, of course...
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/25/21 02:17 PM
I just use a sticky gob of this
Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 02/25/21 02:53 PM
What do you use it for? (Maybe I don't want to know...)
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/25/21 03:46 PM
Works of Art!
Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 02/26/21 12:04 AM
Figgers of Tiggers?
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/26/21 01:35 AM
better than chiggers
Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 02/26/21 03:44 AM
or lazy clam diggers.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/26/21 04:24 AM
in Quahog knickers
Posted By: Irked Re: Mars - 02/26/21 05:39 AM
I adamantly aver that geoducks are not native to Mars.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 02/26/21 05:47 AM
I must defurr
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 03/02/21 01:11 AM
Log 'rolling
Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 03/02/21 01:26 AM
I did that with a Kat once - he was a real pussy!
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 03/02/21 02:37 AM
I did this with a log once, his bark was worse than his Byte crazy

Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 03/02/21 03:53 AM
The “Logtroll Strategy” - has a nice ring to it...
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 03/02/21 04:31 AM

How did you "find" The “Logtroll Strategy” ?

Sun Tzu cat
Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 03/02/21 09:23 AM
Books are too old school. I watch random videos of people playing video games that people randomly post on obscure blogs. It’s modern research 🧐.
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 03/02/21 04:08 PM
True, not very sophisticatted, you could see his lips moving.

I am not wasting my time with such boring pastimes, as I am closely monitoring the progress of chkdsk /r repair an old SSD drive! It's all the way up to 58% complete after running all night, with 17.5666% files processed. Each windows repaired cluster is a momentous event, most recently file 58578!

While watching animal husbandry videos on Ewetube, I have noticed two things.
#1 The advertising popups are much more aggressive, interrupting videos midstream with an ad that plays until you manually close it.
#2. I think that now with covid there are more unemployed musicians wanting to teach me their magic techniques to master the guitar, than there are guitar players. It is very easy to get on their hit lists by buying some strings or search for a schematic for a vintage amplifier!

TAT
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 03/04/21 02:36 PM
There once was a Ranter named TAT... popcorn2
Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 03/05/21 01:21 PM
...who said, “There’s nobody thinking that...”
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 03/05/21 01:37 PM
There once was a ranter named Tat
who said, “There’s nobody thinking that...
But lonesome's so Droll


Dont make me call in the Meter Maid nono
Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 03/05/21 01:43 PM
There once was a ranter named Tat
who said, “There’s nobody thinking that...
But lonesome's so Droll,
And it's taking a toll,


Quote:
Don't make me call in the Meter Maid nono

Rita is lovely! I'd like to meet her...
Posted By: logtroll Re: Mars - 03/05/21 02:03 PM
Are there Martian meter maids, maybe?

Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 03/05/21 02:06 PM
Originally Posted By: logtroll
There once was a ranter named Tat
who said, “There’s nobody thinking that...
But lonesome's so Droll,
And it's taking a toll,
On the others who come here to chitchat!


Quote:
Don't make me call in the Meter Maid nono

Rita is lovely! I'd like to meet her...
Posted By: TatumAH Re: Mars - 03/05/21 02:23 PM
It's easier with 38% gravity!

Posted By: NW Ponderer Re: Mars - 03/09/21 06:55 PM
That's great!
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