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Greger #246027 12/14/12 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: california rick
Originally Posted By: Phil Hoskins
I had not realized how small the population of the SF area actually is.

Yup, you guys are nearly 4x larger in population and 3.25x larger in square miles.

Good things come in small packages, eh, Rick ?

I leave it to our resident mathematician to determine if the converse is also true ! · ·

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I think all of California is wonderful. Yet, having read this thread, I'm beginning to think you need an influx of Minnesotans.

After you have a four foot snowfall.

Land use planning, good transportation, reasonable sales tax policy, good schools and colleges, and health care that is, if not any more affordable than anywhere else, easily found in Rochester. Where it snows.

A lot.


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Good things come in small packages, eh, Rick ?


I find the converse of this statement to be untrue. I call your attention to a small package containing a portable nuclear device.



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Contradicting metropolitan L.A.’s reputation as the capital of unbridled sprawl, roughly two-thirds of new housing built there between 2005 and 2009 was infill – constructed in previously developed areas rather than on raw land in the exurbs.

Other large metro areas with high infill rates were New York, San Francisco and San Jose, according to an analysis released by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

Infill rates varied considerably, with some places such as Austin, Texas, and Prescott, Ariz., still building the vast majority of housing in undeveloped areas. But 36 of 51 large metro regions saw a rise in infill between the early and final years of the last decade.

In the San Jose area, 8 of 10 homes built between 2000 and 2009 were infill, outpacing L.A. and New York (both about 62%) and the San Francisco region (56%).
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I've seen entire older neighborhoods torn-up in my neck-of-the-woods and re-done with a completely different layout by making the lots much smaller and more densely compacted.

The upside: You get a chance to live in a new home with a higher property value than what was previously there.


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And these new, more densely packed houses will be chicken coops built out of toxic gas-emitting glueboard.

Old houses are often more solidly built and less lethal, and I favor retaining them where possible, rather than sending these precious resources to the garbage dump so that a wasteful economy can be kept humming.

My own house is from the 1950's, that blessed period after lead paint and before toxic glueboard construction.
Unlike today, decent strong wood, and other construction materials, were still available. It is built on bedrock, with sturdy foundations for the occasional 700-year mega-earthquake (it has been 300 years since the last one).

It is somewhat grander for a single person than would be approved by a rational, enlightened social planner, but I try to make up for that by using its resources in every practicable way for the benefit of those people around me whom I do not consider to be brain-dead, zombie garbage apes.
I think a Bolshevik apparatchik responsible for housing policy in the 1920's in Russia would be proud of me.

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...My own house is from the 1950's, that blessed period after lead paint and before toxic glueboard construction....

Uh-oh

Hope yer not eatin' the paint flakes, noomie.
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The report contends that the extent of the lead paint problem in Canada isn't known but there are strong indications that it is pervasive. Nearly a quarter of Canada's children live in the approximately three million homes built before 1960, when the use of lead paint was more widespread. In 1976, Ottawa prohibited paint containing more than 0.5-per-cent lead.


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Those glue-board homes are termite resistant and the glue-boards are made from recycled material. smile

Plus newer homes are sealed better and resistant to climate variances and much more energy efficient.

Can't have everything... Hmm


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Originally Posted By: numan

My own house is from the 1950's, ... before toxic glueboard construction.

Ya got me there, noomie, what's glueboard?

Do you mean plywood ?
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The ancient Egyptians were the first people known to make use of plywood. Egypt lacks fine wood, and around 3500 BCE, the Egyptians began conserving the wood they did have by gluing thin sheets of high quality wood over lower quality, more readily available wood.
The ancient Chinese used a similar technique in furniture making, and the British and French of the 1600s and 1700s are known to have experimented with different types of plywood...
In the mid 1800s, the Swedish architect Immanuel Nobel invented the rotary lathe...




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Aha! Glueboard !!

Folks make houses outta that stuff?


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